[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83054] Add "Go to Page" Entry in Edit Menu

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--- Comment #31 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #30)
> Hi Jay,

Hi Cor,

> This removes the shortcut for repeat search.

Yes i'm the one who recently set Ctrl + G for repeat search primarily to
improve Gnome, but then it also affects windows and kde.

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=418982797f9bd2b2e9e5e47f81ba5041c91d6a0c

> Has this been discussed? Why not use Ctrl+Shft+G for the new dialog?

Most apps use Ctrl + G for the dialog on windows and linux, so that is why it
is being assigned.

> And why is it different for MacOS?

Mac HIG has Ctrl + G for repeat search so we are respecting that (bug 98290).

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--- Comment #30 from Cor Nouws  ---
Hi Jay,

(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #28)
> Sent in patch to have Ctrl + G open the dialog.
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/27132

This removes the shortcut for repeat search.
Has this been discussed? Why not use Ctrl+Shft+G for the new dialog?
And why is it different for MacOS?

Ciao - Cor

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--- Comment #29 from Cor Nouws  ---
Hi Akshay,

(In reply to Commit Notification from comment #26)
> Akshay Deep committed a patch related to this issue.
> It has been pushed to "master":

It would be nice if on opening of the dialog the page number is selected. Would
that be possible?

Thanks,

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83054] Add "Go to Page" Entry in Edit Menu

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--- Comment #28 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Sent in patch to have Ctrl + G open the dialog.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/27132

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--- Comment #24 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #14)
> Having a bad implementation is not a good reason to implement another
> half-baked.

It isnt a half-baked implementation when all other apps use the same dialog,
and we do as well in the Basic IDE.

> My point is: keep the menu clean and promote the navigator.

According to the HIG, the menus have all commands in them, and the menu is
where most users who use this option will be going to find it, if not using the
shortcut key. I looked for this feature in the menu and it was the reason i
opened this enhancement.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #15)
> The difference is, where the cursor is. Pressing Ctrl+Shift+F5 the cursor is
> already in the number field and you can immediately change it.

Yes adolfo mentioned this in comment 4. :D

> It could be
> made better, as Cor Nouws mentioned, when it would be selected in this case.

Yes definitely a good enhancement to have.

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #16)
> Left mouse opens the Navigator already. Right mouse context with a input box
> to enter the page?

Regarding the page number statusbar entry, i've opened a separate bug report
(bug 100716) for that and their isnt a means of including an input box in a
context menu that i'm aware of, and doubt it would be a good UI.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #23)
> We have already a simple navigation in the Preview, it is the command
> ".uno:JumpToSpecificPage" and is an input field in the toolbar. If any new
> solution for Writer is planed, shouldn't it be similar to the same feature
> already available in the preview?

Yes Akshay is working on this and Samuel mentioned that he should likely use
that uno command for it.

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/25949/

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--- Comment #23 from Regina Henschel  ---
We have already a simple navigation in the Preview, it is the command
".uno:JumpToSpecificPage" and is an input field in the toolbar. If any new
solution for Writer is planed, shouldn't it be similar to the same feature
already available in the preview?

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--- Comment #22 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #21)
> Not a good usability to execute functions on both left and right. And hiding
> an uncommon feature is even worse. Split buttons add complexity too, and it
> would be a very uncommon control in the statusbar. I suggest a menu on right
> click where you can choose the type of left click interaction. The shown
> information must be set accordingly.
> 
> (We are moving away from the topic.)

Not at all, discussion was about adding a simple way to establish page
navigation without use of the full Navigator.

The Status bar has numerous buttons that perform different actions with left
mouse or right mouse selection.  Left mouse on the Page button already opens
the Navigator -- so perfectly logical and consistent with GUI to have the right
mouse action control go-to page (and retain the bookmarks).

Solve the use case with simple change to the existing structure--no NEED to
implement a new dialog alien to the Navigator.

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--- Comment #21 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Not a good usability to execute functions on both left and right. And hiding an
uncommon feature is even worse. Split buttons add complexity too, and it would
be a very uncommon control in the statusbar. I suggest a menu on right click
where you can choose the type of left click interaction. The shown information
must be set accordingly.

(We are moving away from the topic.)

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--- Comment #20 from sophie  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #19)
> (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #18)
> > (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #16)
> > > 
> > > Left mouse opens the Navigator already. Right mouse context with a input 
> > > box
> > > to enter the page?
> > 
> > Right mouse click opens the list of bookmarks.
> 
> Oops you're right had forgotten that--don't show until a bookmark is set.
> Still might be able to split the button and squeeze a page entry there.

I think it's a good idea, bookmarks are not so much used and it's a nice 'go
to' split :) Sophie

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--- Comment #18 from Regina Henschel  ---

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #16)
> 
> Left mouse opens the Navigator already. Right mouse context with a input box
> to enter the page?

Right mouse click opens the list of bookmarks.

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--- Comment #17 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #16)
> For something more lightweight than the full Navigator dialog, why not add a
> context menu to the Page field?
> 
> Left mouse opens the Navigator already. Right mouse context with a input box
> to enter the page?

Sorry, the Page field is on the left of the Status bar.

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--- Comment #16 from V Stuart Foote  ---
For something more lightweight than the full Navigator dialog, why not add a
context menu to the Page field?

Left mouse opens the Navigator already. Right mouse context with a input box to
enter the page?

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--- Comment #15 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #3)
> Ctrl+Shift+F5 open navigator for me on Linux and that the same as just
> pressing F5, as stated in the View menu. Or am i missing something. :)

The difference is, where the cursor is. Pressing Ctrl+Shift+F5 the cursor is
already in the number field and you can immediately change it. It could be made
better, as Cor Nouws mentioned, when it would be selected in this case.

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--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #13)
> As previously stated, navigator is fine for Eve, but over complicated for
> Benjamin (as well as being badly organized - bug 89566), especially with the
> limited scope of jumping to a particular page. This dialog is a basic
> feature of all word processors, document viewers, and text editor.

Having a bad implementation is not a good reason to implement another
half-baked. While it sounds not so bad what Sopie suggest, a light-weight
overlay to enter the page number, it will feel oddly to have a heavy dialog
that pops up for the page number. My point is: keep the menu clean and promote
the navigator.

(UX-eval makes sense for all enhancements)

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