[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Page numbering in combination with page style is a powerful tool. And if we
change something it has to comply with the format definition to allow
cross-application consistency. You may use fields for special cases perhaps
using an extension.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|LibreOffice |Writer

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Hi David,

I believe if you've created the various page styles you want in your document
and use Insert > Manual Break's style drop down menu and change page number
field, you should easily be able to create the document you mentioned in
comment 5.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> I guess you figured out finally how to restart the page numbering (paragraph
> > text flow > breaks...).

Never knew that route. :D

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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--- Comment #5 from David Kremer  ---
As for user test case, I see plenty :


Situation 1 :
=

Imagine that I want to write a document with the first three pages not
numbered, because they are title-like page, each chapter page being not
numbered.

#1, #2, #3 : no numbering, because "title-like pages"

#4 : chapter title page, not included in numbering

#5, #6, #7, #8 : numbered as 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8

#9 : chapter title page, not included in numbering

#10, #11, #12, #13 : numbered as 5/8, 6/8, 7/8, 8/8

I think it is possible to do such a thing with libreoffice, although a bit
tricky. I'll try to fill an example with lorem ipusm to see if everything comes
fine.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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--- Comment #4 from David Kremer  ---
Mm, sorry. What I thought is that the page numbering should behave a little bit
like in Latex, with the explicit possibility to create new counters
(supposingly attached to a given page style) or to reset a counter.

I just noted that my problem with page numbering was that an export to PDF does
not have the same numbering as the one in LibreOffice (I should open a new bug
report, this is a different topic).

However, yes, the current method to deal with page numbering is a little bit
clumsy.

The method to deal with page style is also a little bit clumsy and
counter-intuitive from the user point of view in my humble opinion.

I don't know, if some users are sharing this point of view, why not upgrade
this ? I don't mean to change the core system, but to adapt the user interface
to have something more explicit and user friendly.

Just a suggestion.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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--- Comment #3 from RGB  ---
Writer is not a page layout program like Scribus, but it is centred on "content
flow": the content defines how pages are used and not the other way round. In
fact, page breaks on Writer are a paragraph/object property (Text flow tab on
the paragraph/object format or style definition), not a page property. 

With a 320 pages Writer document opened right now behind my browser (and the
other 400+ pages Writer documents on my hard drive) I think the page numbering
system used by Writer is great, far better and powerful than Word's system.
It's not perfect, of course, but there are already other reports about its
problems (linked page styles, for example...).

I think you are looking for a DPT tool like Scribus, something that Writer will
never be: Writer is for a different kind of documents were automated formatting
is far more important than manual adjustments. 

*Almost Off Topic note*: it would be possible to turn Draw into a simple DPT
tool by adding to it text frames (not just text boxes as it have now, but full
frames like in Writer) and the possibility to use different page styles on the
same document. Not sure if someone else have already proposed something like
this (or if it's even possible): if not, this is your chance :)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I guess you figured out finally how to restart the page numbering (paragraph >
text flow > breaks...). What did you expect exactly? Something like right click
the inserted page number with access to a special dialog?

Please add use cases for the two requirements. For example, "I want to hide the
page number on some pages to ...". This shows the relevance of your request
since it sounds not too interesting for the majority of users.

And please keep in mind that we rely on ODF
(http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#element-text_page-number).
Not everything is possible.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 99059] Simplify and upgrade the page numbering system

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--- Comment #1 from Buovjaga  ---
Moving to UX.

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