Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, To start with your last remark ( I'm very very confused. ): I do not want you guys to stop improving code, change thing for the better etc. On the contrary: I do applaud it. I know that you are aware of the risks of the necessary changes and do all that is reasonable to avoid it. I

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 08:26 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hope I have made my concerns a bit more clear now. Not really, I'm probably in the same boat as Kohei and somewhat confused by the whole thread. Maybe we need *shorter* emails that don't try to be polite ;-) Problem at the top, proposed

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Caolán, Caolán McNamara wrote (13-09-11 12:30) On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 08:26 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hope I have made my concerns a bit more clear now. Not really, I'm probably in the same boat as Kohei and somewhat confused Ah good to read. Real devs never are good in understanding my

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Thus the solution is: earlier feature freeze. I disagree that this is _the_ solution. we could feature freeze today... and that would not change a things unless QA is actually done... and reciprocally, there is no need for a

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Norbert, Norbert Thiebaud wrote (13-09-11 23:48) On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Thus the solution is: earlier feature freeze. I disagree that this is _the_ solution. we could feature freeze today... and that would not change a things unless QA is

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, [Please *first read my next mail* on this list !] Let me also reply on the minutes of tech. steering call: from Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ... Michael Meeks wrote (08-09-11 17:28) + Cor's considerations on release timing Better: time available between

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, from Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ... Michael Meeks wrote (08-09-11 17:28) + not too late to discuss at the conference and move freeze dates by a week or two (Norbert) If it is true that ... none of the devs have working of

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-12 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 00:23 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: + always a trade-off between quality, community fun, pace of development (Michael) No real argument. I am more interested in the question: do we want avoid another 3.4-style release? So, our memory is

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-08 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Cor, all, I jump to the point I would like to discuss: [...] - development in the quality and the use of tools for testing - is attention in testing well spread over Windows / Linux / MacOS ? - are there other releases/tasks that need attention during that time ? - how many people are

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote (08-09-11 22:38) We need to change the way we involve the native-lang communities in our testing process. They are currently a bit lost by the quick turn over of the versions, [...] Indeed, that is an extra load for the testers/ native-lang community members.

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-05 Thread Tomáš Chvátal
Hi, for testers it might be really nice to release alpha/beta tarballs during early stages of development cycle. This would allow at least me to add it for testing into Gentoo and I think quite few people would test it that way. I provide even live ebuild that compiles from the git, but I think

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Kohei, Kohei Yoshida wrote (05-09-11 02:50) On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: - How much time can one annoying bug ask? Two day, two weeks? e.g. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40466#c10 Hmm... I don't see the relevance of my comment in

Re: [Libreoffice] 3.5 release from QA to point-zero

2011-09-04 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Cor, On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: - How much time can one annoying bug ask? Two day, two weeks?  e.g. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40466#c10 Hmm... I don't see the relevance of my comment in the bug to what you are stating here. What do