I know I'm not replying directly to the mail I'm supposed to.
>On Tue, September 17, 2019 7:59 pm, Leah Rowe wrote:
>>
>> women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
>> descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
The latter isn't necessarily a consequence of
On Tue, September 17, 2019 7:59 pm, Leah Rowe wrote:
>
> meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
> implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
>
> women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
> descriminated against, and less likely to
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Danny Spitzberg wrote:
>
> Like, literally murdered?
yes: that's what executed means. a "kill order" - made to look like a
suicide - will be one of the potential scenarios desired by the kinds
of people who can consider, plan, organise and execute (follow through
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:59 PM Leah Rowe <[1]i...@minifree.org> wrote:
meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
If you have the choice between a more qualified male candidate and
less
meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
we need to spend more effort bringing
Yeah, I just learned that RMS has resigned from the FSF.
Way to go people.
You took the bait from enemies - enemies who wish to crush us and end
the existence of free software.
What kind of precedent does this set? This is only going to empower our
enemies and make them believe they can be
On 09/17/2019 03:27 PM, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>>This whole business smells like a set-up. I've noted the number of
>>people who rushed to distance themselves from rms, some of whom he
>>might once have considered friends. RMS will rise again in the blink of
>>an eye!
>
> I
I won't replace the fish either. It'll get smellier and more rotten
every time.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:03:12 +0100 Leah Rowe
wrote:
>
>
> I want to stop receiving mails not only from this thread, but *this
> fucking mail list*. I've had enough of deleting mails from this
> thread.
>
> Some
I want to stop receiving mails not only from this thread, but *this
fucking mail list*. I've had enough of deleting mails from this
thread.
Some of us have real jobs and do actual fucking work all day, like
answering emails or writing software and doing pull requests / code
review on other
I don't quite know which piece of software so mangled the formatting of
a plain-text email - perhaps it was the mail client I'm using or
perhaps it was something on the libreplanet.org end.
For convenience, I've included the non-mangled plain text file as an
attachment to this
PLEASE can people stop responding to this fucking thread. I couldn't
possibly give any less of a flying fuck about this smear campaign
against RMS if you *paid* me... and yes, it is a smear campaign. Just
some whores from microsoft or the US government or whatever the
shit, wanting to cause
This is a big crisis for the free software movement.
To briefly review the past few days and weeks:
--
We learned that MIT and in particular the Media Lab knowingly
and secretively made itself a servant of a rich sexual
predator
(1) It is obvious that RMS did not have a proper understanding of the
'Child sex-trafficking industry', and its extent.
The defense for Minsky was very ill-informed. RMS is yet to say
anything on (1). That said the resignations do not make enough sense
unless it is the case that Epstein is
fudmier via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
Forcing human rights and democracy first Icon Stallman to resign..seems
to suggest a bigger plan with roots in a design that has as its object
to deny to the world the open source developer invented products and
instructional expertise.
It would be better
On 09/17/2019 02:23 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> ). We do *not* need to do this public mob justice thing which leaves any
> movement extremely vulnerable to manipulation and to misunderstandings
> destroying solidarity. I'm incidentally giving a related talk at SeaGL
> in November in Seattle.
A lot of
On Tue, September 17, 2019 1:29 pm, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of the
> internets, there are a ton of folks sharing their legitimate concerns
> about
> the broader issues in free software, FSF, and rms.
I do not use Twitter and I
On Tue, September 17, 2019 9:22 am, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
>Quiliro, I see you're at [1]riseup.net!
>
> Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights,
> resign as
> president of the board of directors and as president of the FSF.
> As for me, I will
Sad to see such a charismatic leader shot down. I’m sure free software
will continue in a forward trajectory and looking forward to finding
out who will be picked as the new FSF president. RMS will always remain
the founder.
My only question, since RMS has stepped down, can the
Here it comes, more accusations with the intent of censoring (or
causing self censorship).
Let people speak their minds.
How else do you reach consensus? Do you just force out people who
disagree? That appears to be your aim.
You guys are stinking up the place, making a technical forum about
I hesitate to weigh in here, but I have a perspective to share that I'm
not seeing anyone else bring up.
There are really quite distinct issues:
A) political concerns about patriarchy / sexism etc
B) social problems with call-out culture
C) practical decisions for the movement
These have
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:04 PM Ole Aamot <[1]ole.aa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Spot on with the poem, Adrienne.
Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for everyone. d:-)
GNU C-Graph is cool!
Thank you Ole!!
Adrienne
--
Freedom - no pane, all gaiGN!
GNU
> If it is true that Stallman called these victims as willing []
He did not. In fact he said the opposite. The media campaign is
built on a bald face, easily disproved lie.
-t
On 2019-09-17 11:47, lily via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
Earlier in this thread, I sent
Earlier in this thread, I sent the message below (last paragraph). I
want to state that I have not been following the current issue of
Stallman's statements closely, nor have I been following the Epstein
case closely.
I am just a young woman who got involved in the Free Software
If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of
the internets, there are a ton of folks sharing their legitimate
concerns about the broader issues in free software, FSF, and rms.
Singling out Mary-Anne (in all-caps?) for sharing articles written by
other
Forcing human rights and democracy first Icon Stallman to resign..seems to
suggest a bigger plan with roots in a design that has as its object to
deny to the
world the open source developer invented products and instructional
expertise.
Becoming an expert "by doing" is far better and cheaper
Hi all
[1]this article on the "failure" of free software ran last month (long
before the recent scandal) and offers what could be an important wake
up call — especially in light of the wild hand-wringing about RMS.
The following quote feels prescient:
“Free software pioneers like
Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was misinterpreted.
Spot on with the poem, Adrienne.
Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for everyone. d:-)
GNU C-Graph is cool!
Best,
Ole Aamot
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 4:23 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
On Tue, September 17, 2019 12:04 pm, Ole Aamot wrote:
> Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was misinterpreted.
By me? No. I am sorry the message that campaigned against Richard by MARY
ANNE WOLF made such a bad impression of him on people that have not
investigated the issue.
> Let's
On 09/17/2019 09:38 AM, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> Caleb Herbert wrote:
>> I consider the ancient Galaxy S2 decent.
>
> A device without GPS and hardware graphic acceleration (unless you are
> willing to run nonfree software on CPU)? Or even without Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
> (unless you are
Caleb Herbert wrote:
> On 09/16/2019 03:23 AM, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>> Caleb Herbert wrote:
>>> Most people cannot access or afford decent Replicant devices.
>>
>> No people can access or afford _decent_ Replicant devices: they are simply
>> nonexistent.
>
> I consider the ancient Galaxy S2
Quiliro, I see you're at [1]riseup.net!
Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights,
resign as
president of the board of directors and as president of the FSF.
As for me, I will stop preferring women for positions on free
software
technical
Hello Greg and everyone else,
i would like to share a lesson from all of this, that I so often shared
with my students while teaching at a local college.
When speaking in any public forum, news media, social media, etc. stick
to your area of expertise. Stay away from statements that will draw
On Sun, September 15, 2019 12:35 pm, MARY-ANNE WOLF wrote:
> If Stallman is too stupid to understand that, the FSF needs to throw him
> out with force and distance itself from him as fast as they can, before
> FSF loses the support of most of its female supporters and a large
> fraction of its
Techno-capitalism's moral and intellectual calamities
http://radioopensource.org/tech-master-disaster-part-one/
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I've met and hosted Richard M. Stallman in Oslo, Norway in 1998, and made
two short documentary films on free software/open source movements in
Norway since 1998.
According to
https://www.cnet.com/news/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-resigns-from-mit-after-defending-jeffrey-epstein/
Richard
Hi, everyone,
This is a difficult time for all of us. We believe that it's important
to give our supporters room to express their feelings on current events
in our community, and so we have given libreplanet-discuss a little more
moderation leeway than usual.
Still, please keep your comments
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:52 PM Leah Rowe wrote:
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>
> I think most people are intelligent enough to realize that the article
> is bullshit.
indeed. from this comment
https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14804390=59201724
Furthermore the deposition doesn't say she had sex with Minsky,
I think most people are intelligent enough to realize that the article
is bullshit.
I resigned from this list (now I'm sending this reply as a non-list
member) not because I'm withdrawing support from the FSF; I still
wholeheartedly support them. It's just that the libreplanet mailing
list
this is not a joke. i repeat: this message is not a joke or a hoax.
i repeat: this message is not a joke or a hoax.
i just saw the news that dr stallman, through the mischaracterisation
and misreporting of what he said, has resulted in his resignation.
the next step will be to have him
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 AM
wrote:
> My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals. Can
> we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free software
> and move the debate somewhere else?
hiya tom,
i totally get it - i subscribed (digest) a long time ago,
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