Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

[taii...@gmx.com]

I thank you for your time but you have not answered my other question 
re: false advertising.


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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

[John Sullivan]

"taii...@gmx.com"  writes:

> Again I still can't understand as to why purism gets so much air time
> on the FSF website and the tech news media yet legitimately libre
> hardware gets none.


> "PureOS" is simply a debian clone used to peddle non-free laptops and
> now purism has obtained an implied endorsement from the FSF.

That is not an accurate description. PureOS is an endorsed distribution
because it has committed to upholding the Guidelines for Free System
Distribution. It made a number of important changes from Debian in order
to achieve that.

All or almost all of the currently endorsed distributions are based on
other nonendorsed distributions -- but the changes they make are
significant for user freedom.

>> I apologize to Todd and the Purism crew, and to everyone for the
>> confusion. I'm sorry.
> Was it really the fault of the FSF?

Yes.

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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

[Stefan Nagy]

Am 08.03.2018 17:05 schrieb Stefan Nagy:

Am 07.03.2018 23:04 schrieb taii...@gmx.com:

"Grassroots:
Purism, makers of fine free hardware"

https://libreplanet.org/2018/sponsors

Purism isn't free hardware, […]


You are right, they don't offer free hardware. Since I respect their 
work

I wrote them an email and asked them to correct that.

It seems like they are willingly trying to unmake their reputation with
stupid misstatements like that. I don't get it…


It took Todd Weaver less than an hour to answer my email.

He says:
"Oh, joy. This is not out slogan, never has been […]. To be clear, we 
are

a sponsor of LibrePlanet but we did not provide that tagline."

A copy of his email went to the FSF and it took them less than ten
minutes to change the tagline. The new tagline is: "Purism, makers of
high quality laptops" [1].

[1] see https://libreplanet.org/2018/sponsors/


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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

[Stefan Nagy]

Am 07.03.2018 23:04 schrieb taii...@gmx.com:

"Grassroots:
Purism, makers of fine free hardware"

https://libreplanet.org/2018/sponsors

Purism isn't free hardware, […]


You are right, they don't offer free hardware. Since I respect their 
work

I wrote them an email and asked them to correct that.

It seems like they are willingly trying to unmake their reputation with
stupid misstatements like that. I don't get it…


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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The state of Libre Hardware

[D. Joe]

On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 04:55:30PM -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote:

> Up until recently your computer was truly yours, only recently have both
> x86_64 OEM's Intel and AMD added black box supervisor processors and
> hardware level code signing enforcement as a backdoor and to currently
> prevent you from modifying your computers firmware and in the future prevent
> you from installing linux on the average computer entirely

The extent to which this seems new speaks to how extensively one has been
ignoring the rise of computing machines for which this sort of lock-down has
been endemic: ARM-based mobile devices.  It applies to most ARM devices--
whether tablet or "phone", but particularly the latter--for which the
"radio" processor serves the role in which the Intel Management engine and
its AMD counterparts serves on that hardware: Running nonfree binary blobs
with sufficient control to compromise the freedom and security of anything
on the "application" processor.

It's hard for me not to wonder where we might be in fighting this sort of
freedom threat had we not spent the time of their rise holed up in the
little corner of decent hardware freedom we had left on x86.

Retreating even further to POWER architecture might be satisfying from a
purity perspective, and far be it from me to dissuade anyone with the time
and money to pursue that from doing so, but putting too many of our eggs in
that basket (now to thoroughly mix my metaphors) is a further march down the
road towards absolutely software freedom but for an ever more marginal
few.[1]

(See also: The broad adoption of MIPS-based laptops like the Lemote
Yeelong[2])

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D. Joe

[1] Or, maybe, instead of marginal, privileged. 
[2] Not really, this is purely tongue-in-cheek.


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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Can we pay cash at the door?

[Georgia Young]

Yes.

On 03/07/18 16:48, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> I do not want to provide my real name nor support the credit card
> companies that advocate for a cashless society.
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[libreplanet-discuss] Visiting LibrePlanet from Aurora, IL - USA

[Nelson]

Hi LibrePlanet people,

My name is Nelson Marquez. I'm 22 years old. Originally from Venezuela, living 
in Illinois since September 2016.

I've been using GNU/Linux for the past two or three years. I do my best to keep 
myself up-to-date with what's going on in the FLOSS community - use FLOSS 
applications on my phone and advocate for free software when possible.

I'd love to attend LibrePlanet 2018 and for the first time, get to see Richard 
Stallman alive. I also would love to be part of other talks in the conference, 
interact with FLOSS enthusiasts like me and get 'cool' FLOSS swag, if doable. 
(Read: if pocket allows me to.)

As usual, money is an issue. I still haven't purchased flight tickets and doing 
my best to allocate funds for proceeding. I'm looking for friendly, easygoing 
hosts who would spare a couch for me since Friday March 23rd until Sunday the 
25th. (Read: I'd sleep in Friday and Saturday night only.)

As for food, I'd get by as my budget allows - no big deal. Fortunately, I've 
been a FSF member since 2016 - when I was just landing in the US and that 
entitles me for free entrance at LibrePlanet. Yay!

Looking forward to hear from any friendly person in Boston, MA.
Nelson M.

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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The state of Libre Hardware

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> The GNU GPL speaks of User Freedom, but this is only for bits.

Indeed I agree, however the articles in GNU.org (search for "hardware
design") point out that the GPL is *the best* for licensinghardware
designs. The article also points out that there is no "free hardware"
because one can't really exercise the essential freedoms for things
which are already "printed out", one can only do so with the hardware
design.

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