Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

2018-03-09 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira 
> (For everyone's understanding, the nonfree firmware is not present on
> the system; it is an issue of potentially recommending/suggesting.)

I'm not an active distro reviewer right now, but I imagine this would
happen, this is why I suggested changing the log message to something
indirect, or hide any pointers to hardware, and just display "Failed to
load firmware."

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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

2018-03-09 Thread John Sullivan 
Henry Jensen  writes:

> Am Fri, 09 Mar 2018 01:33:12 +0100
> schrieb John Sullivan :
>
>> "taii...@gmx.com"  writes:
>> 
>> > Again I still can't understand as to why purism gets so much air
>> > time on the FSF website and the tech news media yet legitimately
>> > libre hardware gets none.  
>> 
>> 
>> > "PureOS" is simply a debian clone used to peddle non-free laptops
>> > and now purism has obtained an implied endorsement from the FSF.  
>> 
>> That is not an accurate description. PureOS is an endorsed
>> distribution because it has committed to upholding the Guidelines for
>> Free System Distribution. It made a number of important changes from
>> Debian in order to achieve that.
>
> PureOS uses the same Linux kernel as Debian (i.e. not Linux-Libre),
> which some people regard as a bug, because log messages like this
> appear:
>
> iwlwifi: :03:00.0 firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
>
> which indicates, that the kernel is looking for a non-free firmware
> blob. By reading this message in the log file a user could learn about
> it and be tempted to install this non-free software.
>

Yes, we have been revisiting this question and will publish our analysis
soon on the mailing list you linked to..

(For everyone's understanding, the nonfree firmware is not present on
the system; it is an issue of potentially recommending/suggesting.)

-john

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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Purism is not free hardware

2018-03-09 Thread Henry Jensen 
Am Fri, 09 Mar 2018 01:33:12 +0100
schrieb John Sullivan :

> "taii...@gmx.com"  writes:
> 
> > Again I still can't understand as to why purism gets so much air
> > time on the FSF website and the tech news media yet legitimately
> > libre hardware gets none.  
> 
> 
> > "PureOS" is simply a debian clone used to peddle non-free laptops
> > and now purism has obtained an implied endorsement from the FSF.  
> 
> That is not an accurate description. PureOS is an endorsed
> distribution because it has committed to upholding the Guidelines for
> Free System Distribution. It made a number of important changes from
> Debian in order to achieve that.

PureOS uses the same Linux kernel as Debian (i.e. not Linux-Libre),
which some people regard as a bug, because log messages like this
appear:

iwlwifi: :03:00.0 firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode

which indicates, that the kernel is looking for a non-free firmware
blob. By reading this message in the log file a user could learn about
it and be tempted to install this non-free software.


See also this thread:
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2017-12/msg4.html

It was suggested, that this issue "was missed" when endorsing PureOS,
which I can't hardly imagine, because the used kernel is usually the
first thing to look at when reviewing a distro.


Regards,

Henry

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