Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

2002-05-16 Thread neil barnes

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 06:29:09 +
From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs


Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:50:27 +
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs


Hmmm... are there cards on the list of cards supported by Linux that still
need to have drivers set up?  I was lucky that three of 6 cards I tested 
out
worked immediately without having to set any drivers at all.  Unfortunately
2 of the ones that failed to be recognized were the ones from my two CD-ROM
drives.

Every card I have worked first time in linux (with one of them taking half a 
day to get running in windows!) - you have my list. The Tosh CDROM works 
fine.


I'm wondering if it possible to network the L50 running Linux to the L70
running Windows, and be able to access a CD-ROM drive there.  Is that
something that is possible?

Yes - you'll need to set the CDROM on the 70 as a shared drive, and set up 
all the samba stuff on the 50. It works, but it might take some time :) The 
samba howto book (it's all over the web) is well worth reading before you 
start. I think it's by O'Reilly.

(before you ask, no I haven't. I have a hard enough time making 98 work with 
2k, though 2k works with 98 easily enough. Odd. Though the latest linuxes 
are starting to appear with a network neighbourhood app built in - M8.2 I 
think does)
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Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

2002-05-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:43:24 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

At 10:55 PM 15/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:50:27 +
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

I see a guy on EBay has 4 Bromax cards, model EN10-T2T listed.  They 
look cheap ennough. Will check the list of Linux support cards.  But if 
what you say is right, it ought to be there.

That or look on the Bromax website under driver downloads to see if they 
have a Linux driver for it.

Hmmm... are there cards on the list of cards supported by Linux that still 
need to have drivers set up?  I was lucky that three of 6 cards I tested 
out worked immediately without having to set any drivers at 
all.  Unfortunately 2 of the ones that failed to be recognized were the 
ones from my two CD-ROM drives.

Well put it this way. If the manufacturer lists it as having Linux drivers 
then at least you know they've gone to the effort.


I'm wondering if it possible to network the L50 running Linux to the L70 
running Windows, and be able to access a CD-ROM drive there.  Is that 
something that is possible?

Yup ... share out the CD-ROM drive on the Windows one then on the Linux one 
go mount -t smbfs -o username=username //computer name/share name 
/mnt/whatever you want to call it (I might have the source and 
destination switched there). Make sure you unmount it when you're done or 
weird things happen.


What are you using for a modem in Linux Raymond?

I'm not ... I got a Xircom Realport 56k with my L50 (the previous guy 
used it with the APR) but I've not used it. Even in Windows, when I'm far 
enough away from a network point to need to use a modem there isn't a 
phone line around anyway so I just use the IrDA link with my cellphone. I 
haven't got IrDA working under Linux yet but then again I only tried for 
a few minutes... I don't use Linux on the libby often enough to justify 
bothering.

So do you connect your Lib/Linux setup to access broadband via the 
NIC?  Or do you just access the net via your l100 (L110?) and/or desktop?

Well my L50 now belongs to my sister ... my L100 only really access the 
internet through LAN either at work or at home and is able to do so booted 
into both Linux and Windows. I don't really have access to a telephone jack 
anywhere where there isn't already a network port so I've not needed a 
modem card (and where there is neither I boot into Windows and use my 
cellphone).


- Raymond

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[LIB] Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread car val

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:28:37 -0400
From: car val [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Libretto 110,  8gb barrier

Hi Guys,

I have a Libretto 110 with a 4 gb HD. and I'm upgrading
to a Toshiba 12 gb HD. I do not want to use E-Z Drive or any
another program to see the whole 12gb.

What I did was to install the HD to a laptop that
see the whole 12 gb, then fdisked it to 3 partitions
C: (3gb) D: (2gb) and E: (6.5 gb).

Then, reinstalled it the Libretto. so far it see the whole
11.5 gb, will this work OK? will I have any problem down
the line?

TIA
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Re: [LIB] Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:13:56 -0700
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110,  8gb barrier

Quoting car val [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:28:37 -0400
 From: car val [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Libretto 110,  8gb barrier
 
 Hi Guys,
 
 I have a Libretto 110 with a 4 gb HD. and I'm upgrading
 to a Toshiba 12 gb HD. I do not want to use E-Z Drive or any
 another program to see the whole 12gb.
 
 What I did was to install the HD to a laptop that
 see the whole 12 gb, then fdisked it to 3 partitions
 C: (3gb) D: (2gb) and E: (6.5 gb).
 
 Then, reinstalled it the Libretto. so far it see the whole
 11.5 gb, will this work OK? will I have any problem down
 the line?

You'll have problems when the libby hibernates as it'll blow away anything
within 70 meg or so of 1024 cylinders (about 8.4GB). You'll also run into
problems the moment you use any disk partitioning utility on the libby plus
you'll have problems if you boot off a straight DOS boot disk.

Installing and using EZ-Bios is easy and solves heaps more problems than it
creates as long as you don't do anything stupid (like forget to load it then try
to manipulate your partitions). I'd imagine other products such as Ontrack
DiskManager would be similar. I just don't understand why people are so
reluctant to use them.


- Raymond



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[LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Gerhard Kapusta

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:03:52 +0200
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Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Carval, hi Raymond!

I would not suggest to use a disk manager like EZ-Bios or similar things.

Why dou you not use WinNT or Win2000? Both are reliable and stable, all
Libretto-specific facilities (suspend+hibernation, hot PCMCIA-swap, hot
dock, power management...) will work.

I run WinNT on a Lib 100 and Win2000 on a Lib 110. The Lib110 with Win2000
is a bit slower than the Lib100 with WinNT, but it is more comfortable and
more modern.
Disk size is not a question, all 9.5mm will work without any disk manager or
other obscure tricks.

Here again a quick summary how to install a big HD into a Lib with WinNT or
Win2000:
- Make sure to have flashed the latest BIOS
- Boot DOS and create one or more partitions (you will see only 8GB)
- Install WinNT or Win2000 into one of the created partitions
- Use WinNT or Win2000 to create one or more partitions above 8GB, but make
sure to leave 71MB free after the partitions created from DOS - that's it!

Gerhard


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Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread car val

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:51:33 -0400
From: car val [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Good Morning Gerhard,


thank you, I'll try it your way. I too don't like the idea of tricking
the HD, one the HD will trick you and all your data will be lost.

I'll going to partitioned C: (2gb) D: (2gb) E:(4gb), I'll
have Win98se on C: and Win2k on D: and E: will be 
for storage.

So, you're saying that Win2k will see the remaining free space 
from 8gb to 12gb???

As for the hibernation can't I just not install it, it seem more trouble than
it worth??? I can do with out it?

thank you for your help

carval


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 Gerhard Kapusta wrote:
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:03:52 +0200
From: Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Carval, hi Raymond!

I would not suggest to use a disk manager like EZ-Bios or similar things.

Why dou you not use WinNT or Win2000? Both are reliable and stable, all
Libretto-specific facilities (suspend+hibernation, hot PCMCIA-swap, hot
dock, power management...) will work.

I run WinNT on a Lib 100 and Win2000 on a Lib 110. The Lib110 with Win2000
is a bit slower than the Lib100 with WinNT, but it is more comfortable and
more modern.
Disk size is not a question, all 9.5mm will work without any disk manager or
other obscure tricks.

Here again a quick summary how to install a big HD into a Lib with WinNT or
Win2000:
- Make sure to have flashed the latest BIOS
- Boot DOS and create one or more partitions (you will see only 8GB)
- Install WinNT or Win2000 into one of the created partitions
- Use WinNT or Win2000 to create one or more partitions above 8GB, but make
sure to leave 71MB free after the partitions created from DOS - that's it!

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Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:19:00 -0700
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Quoting Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:03:52 +0200
 From: Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier
 
 Hi Carval, hi Raymond!
 
 I would not suggest to use a disk manager like EZ-Bios or similar things.

Hmm ... I notice you've not provided any compelling reasons not to. Too many
times I've had to use a DOS boot disk to rescue Win9x, WinNT or Win2k
installations. Things get interesting if the system is unable to see the
partition table properly (it does get mildly amusing when the bargraphs on
Partition Magic go off the side of the screen and muck up the GUI's layout
manager because the program can't figure out where the disk ends).

 
 Why dou you not use WinNT or Win2000? 

The choice of OS is based on a variety of reasons. However, there are times you
don't get a choice such as when you're stuck with a boot floppy when your OS
dies for instance. Besides, WinNT has problems with hot plug, tends to load more
slowly because of the additional memory management involved, and is a bit harsh
on memory. Win2k has all those bells and whistles that many people will never
use on a device such as the L100 and its a lot harder to trim down an 2k
installation if disk space is a problem. Plus at 64MB RAM multitasking is
nowhere near as efficient under 2k than 9x (the better memory management in 2k
only breaks even with the raw efficiency of 9x at about the 128MB to 256MB
region in my experience). Granted memory protection under 9x is nonexistant so
yes if you are having problems that can be traced to this then sure NT may be
the way to go, at a pretty significant speed penalty.


 Both are reliable and stable, 

I dare say my laptops running Win95OSR2 and Win98SE are just as stable as the 2k
and NT desktops I work with and, in my experience at least, on Pentium class
computers with 64 meg RAM, Win9x runs most of the applications I've tested
significantly faster than NT does (although I did do the tests on Compaq Deskpro
2000 desktops, they've got P166 processors, 64 meg RAM and ATA33 disk
controllers so it is still possible to draw parallels). Conversely I've seen
some pretty bad things happen under 2k especially if you use NTFS. 


 all
 Libretto-specific facilities (suspend+hibernation, hot PCMCIA-swap, hot
 dock, power management...) will work.

That may be so (although not in my experience) but still, what has this got to
do with the presence or absence of an overlay anyway? Sure NT/2k don't need an
overlay to see past 1024 cylinders but when things go pear shaped and you can't
shove the hard drive into another computer, isn't it safer to have it on there
anyway so you can recover things with a boot disk?


 I run WinNT on a Lib 100 and Win2000 on a Lib 110. The Lib110 with Win2000
 is a bit slower than the Lib100 with WinNT, but it is more comfortable and
 more modern.
 Disk size is not a question, all 9.5mm will work without any disk manager
 or
 other obscure tricks.

Umm ... what planet are we on? The drive overlay has NOTHING to do with the
physical size of the disk and EVERYTHING to do with the disk capacity. I would
take any advice you give on the topic with a really big grain of salt if you
fail to make even THIS distinction.



- Raymond



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[LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Gerhard Kapusta

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:36:21 +0200
From: Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Carval!

C with 2GB for Win89 is ok, but D with 2GB for Win2000 is not very much, if
you plan to install some additional software!
Consider also which filesystem you want to use: NTFS is the standard for
Win2000, but you can't access it from Win98. FAT32 can be used both by Win98
and Win2000 but is is not so reliable as NTFS and has less features. In any
case you will not see the partitions above 8GB from Win98. (- so why
additionally Win98???, it brings again a dirty system!)

You cannot avoid or switch off hibernation. There are situations,
independent from the operating system, where the Libretto wants to
hibernate, controlled by the BIOS (e.g. overheat, battery empty, hibernate
from DOS booted from a floppy, and I'm sure there are some ohers). So it is
strongly recommended to leave the neccessary space free, otherwise you risk
a data loss!

Gerhard


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Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:32:13 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

At 04:10 AM 16/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:08:13 -0400
From: car val [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Raymond,

My understanding about the overlays programs, they work like the
old disk compression programs (DriveSpace, I forget the others?)

Drive overlays are NOTHING like DriveSpace.

When your computer boots, it loads basic IO routines from BIOS into RAM. 
Some operating systems such as DOS and Win9x (and hence any diagnostics 
tools you run under these operating systems) then makes calls to these 
routines in RAM for any basic IO operations (such as disk operations). 
Unfortunately, the BIOS disk control routines that comes with the libretto 
will only see 1024 cylinders. Drive overlays such as EZ-Bios and OnTrack 
DiskManager replace the drive control routines in memory with versions that 
will see past 1024 cylinders (hence the term 'overlay', they overlay the 
old drive access routines with new copies). It is able to do this by 
loading into the MBR and therefore loads before the OS. When you install 
these utilities, they take a copy of the existing MBR and once it loads its 
own code, it loads the old MBR and hence your OS boots.

The drive overlay program itself is stored at the start of the disk (and 
possibly in the MBR itself). As such, it does add to the size of the 
'bookkeeping' information stored at the beginning of the drive and hence 
will displace the partition information by a certain amount. Therefore, the 
overlay also loads code that will compensate for this so that any 
diagnostics or partition management utilities that look at the drive will 
know about this and take it into account.

The use of drive overlays is well respected. If you've purchased any 
general retail aftermarket hard drive (not OEM drives) they'll have come 
with a drive overlay package. Western Digital actually preinstall an 
overlay on their retail drives. Many major diagnostics utilities such as 
Partition Magic, Norton Ghost and DriveImage, plus all major operating 
systems including all versions of Windows, Linux and BSD, will have support 
(and in most cases, explicit support) for major drive overlay programs such 
as EZ-Bios and OnTrack DiskManager.

Operating systems like WinNT/2k and Linux don't need a drive overlay when 
running normally as these operating systems bypass certain BIOS routines 
such as those that access the disk. Instead of overlaying the old routines, 
they don't even make calls into those areas of RAM and instead access the 
disk directly.


Were you have a 1gb HD, it would create one large database file and
trick the HD into seeing 1.75gb. If, the file got corrupted you would lose
everything.

Nope. Nothing like that. If you were to take a disk with EZ-Bios and put it 
into a computer that CAN see past 1024 cylinders by itself (but not 
actually LOAD EZ-Bios), the computer would still be able to see the entire 
hard drive (however you shouldn't manipulate the partitions as the presence 
of the drive overlay displaces the partition info which can cause problems 
with some programs unless the overlay is loaded). If you only manipulate 
the partition table with the overlay loaded you'll be fine.


So, will the hibernation install it self automaticly at the end of what
the HD see??

Hibernation is a BIOS routine that is not overwritten by drive overlays for 
the simple reason that its Toshiba specific. As such, the hibernation 
routines in BIOS (and loaded into RAM such that they respond to a panic 
shutdown interrupt) will only see 1024 cylinders. There is no easy way 
around this as a perusal of the list archives will demonstrate. We've been 
through these topics before.


- Raymond


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Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:30:17 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

OK an addition and caveat to add ...

At 04:35 AM 16/05/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:32:13 +0800
From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier


The drive overlay program itself is stored at the start of the disk (and 
possibly in the MBR itself). As such, it does add to the size of the 
'bookkeeping' information stored at the beginning of the drive and hence 
will displace the partition information by a certain amount. Therefore, 
the overlay also loads code that will compensate for this so that any 
diagnostics or partition management utilities that look at the drive will 
know about this and take it into account.

For anyone who's interested, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-8.html 
has details on drive overlays. Yes I know it talks about Linux but the 
concepts hold for any OS that has to handle the problem of a BIOS that 
doesn't recognise 1024 cylinders without help.


Nope. Nothing like that. If you were to take a disk with EZ-Bios and put 
it into a computer that CAN see past 1024 cylinders by itself (but not 
actually LOAD EZ-Bios), the computer would still be able to see the entire 
hard drive (however you shouldn't manipulate the partitions as the 
presence of the drive overlay displaces the partition info which can cause 
problems with some programs unless the overlay is loaded). If you only 
manipulate the partition table with the overlay loaded you'll be fine.

I forgot to make the point that this is NOT a good idea if you're going to 
write anything to the disk whilst you've disabled the drive overlay even if 
the computer's BIOS recognises large hard drives ... you can do it but 
unless you *KNOW* the OS will recognise the presence of the overlay and 
compensate for it (in the case of EZ-Bios, a shift of all contents of 
sector 0 to sector 1), its NOT a good idea. I *THINK* Win2k does this 
translation automatically, I know more recent versions of Linux will but 
certainly MS-DOS and Win9x won't. I make this point merely to demonstrate 
that its not as if EZ-Bios wraps up the data in some file that is easily 
damaged (like drive compression programs do). Anything thats likely to kill 
a disk with EZ-Bios on it is just as likely to kill the drive if EZ-Bios 
wasn't on it.


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[LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Gerhard Kapusta

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:42:23 +0200
From: Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Carval!

 So, will the hibernation install it self automaticly at the end of what
 the HD see??

There is no install of hibernation.
If you access the HD via BIOS (e.g. from DOS, Win9x) you will see a disk
which is approx. 70MB smaller than the real size (if the disk is = 8GB).
This hidden space (located at the end of the disk) is used by BIOS to
store the content of the memory if hibernation is triggered. You cannot see
the space above 8GB.
If you access the HD without BIOS (what WinNT, Win2000 and Linux does) than
you can see the complete disk and you have to take care yourself that you do
not use the hibernation area.
(All this is under the assumption that there is no disk manager software
installed!)

Gerhard


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[LIB] Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

2002-05-16 Thread Gerhard Kapusta

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:57:34 +0200
From: Gerhard Kapusta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Libretto 110, 8gb barrier

Hi Raymond!

 OK and how will you boot to this second installation if, say, your boot
 record is damaged? Or if you need to perform a drive image without another
 computer to put the hard drive in? The way you put it, it seems like the
 second installation is a Win2k or NT installation

Yes.

 (as if it were a 9x
 installation you'll need a drive overlay) so if you get a virus that
 targets WinNT/2k system files, how will you clean it? Either way you slice
 it, if you're going to do ANY recovery that involves more than copying
from
 an existing, intact file system, you'll need to have some way of seeing
the
 whole drive. And the only way of doing that without NT/2k (which you won't
 have in a recovery situation) is using a drive overlay.

Since years I never had the situation, that the boot record was damaged. But
if that would happen, I simply install WinNT or Win2000 fresh over the
second installation. The work installation is not touched by this
procedure, it will be useable later by editing boot.ini.
If either the second or the work installation is corrupt for any reason,
I simply restore a backup by copying complete partitions with the other
intstallation. (All my computers are connected via LAN)
I use only WinNT/Win2000, also for recovery and backup, up to now I had no
need for other operating systems (Ok, this is not fully true, sometimes I
use DOS-floppys with some hardware-tools or to flash a BIOS etc.).

Gerhard


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Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

2002-05-16 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:28:52 +
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Poll on Linux compatible modems and NICs

From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Every card I have worked first time in linux (with one of them taking half 
a day to get running in windows!) - you have my list.

It is nice to just plug in a card, and have it work without any messing 
around with drivers.  I guess if you have to set up a driver in Linux as a 
newbie, it can be as daunting if now more so than doing it in Windows.

The Tosh CDROM works fine.


I'm wondering if it possible to network the L50 running Linux to the L70 
running Windows, and be able to access a CD-ROM drive there. Is that 
something that is possible?

Yes - you'll need to set the CDROM on the 70 as a shared drive, and set up 
all the samba stuff on the 50. It works, but it might take some time :) The 
samba howto book (it's all over the web) is well worth reading before you 
start. I think it's by O'Reilly.

Great... will give it a whirl when I get a NIC for the L50.

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[LIB] Networking CD-ROM drive with Windows in Linux

2002-05-16 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:48:15 +
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Networking CD-ROM drive with Windows in Linux

From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm wondering if it possible to network the L50 running Linux to the L70 
running Windows, and be able to access a CD-ROM drive there. Is that 
something that is possible?

Yup ... share out the CD-ROM drive on the Windows one then on the Linux one 
go mount -t smbfs -o username=username //computer name/share name 
/mnt/whatever you want to call it (I might have the source and 
destination switched there). Make sure you unmount it when you're done or 
weird things happen.

Duly noted.  Thanks Raymond.  I wonder if this ReiserFS will be able to cope 
with the weirdness of not unmounting better than other file systems.

Well my L50 now belongs to my sister ... my L100 only really access the 
internet through LAN either at work or at home and is able to do so booted 
into both Linux and Windows. I don't really have access to a telephone jack 
anywhere where there isn't already a network port so I've not needed a 
modem card (and where there is neither I boot into Windows and use my 
cellphone).

Great!  No need/use for a 56K modem for dialup.

M/S



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[LIB] Win2K BIOS version

2002-05-16 Thread Tom Stangl

Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:54:40 -0700
From: Tom Stangl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Win2K BIOS version

FYI, everyone, I KNOW that people told me to update to BIOS 8.10 on my L110 before
installing Win2K, but I forgot to do so.

It seems to be running just fine on 7.30.

I'm in the process of installing 8.10 anyways, to be safe.

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