Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:53:06 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions shorting the cell out? These could sometimes be 'fused apart' by shocking (zapping) the cell with a heavy current / high voltage for a second or so. Just a thought .. ;-) Entirely correct. What is commonly referred to as memory effect in NIMH and NICAD batteries is actually charge depression, caused by poorly designed chargers. The cure, and it IS curable, is to discharge the battery, but NOT lower than 1V/Cell. The damage threshold is lower than that, but 1V/Cell does the job in NICADs, and is the optimum discharge cutoff point for NIMH cells. Completely discharging NICAD and NIMH battery packs is a very bad idea, it will cause failures from cell reversal. The libs use Li-Ion batteries though, so none of this applies to the libs. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:31:46 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions You can try disassembly and reseating the LCD connectors and screen (takes 1 hour or so to take apart, may cause more damage if you're not careful). Otherwise, just damaged/broken. New screens - sadly $500+ www.micsol.com. I'd *strongly* recommend living with it - if the 100/110 screen is similar to the 50/70, the contacts in question are between the screen glass substrate and the lamp unit. Difficult to dissasemble, very fragile, and a low probability of achieving anything useful :( _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:12:28 -0500 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions - Original Message - From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions (1) What is better for the Libretto in terms of machine/battery life span when it is not used and shut down (e. g. overnight): if I leave the AC connected (two LEDS lighting), or if I isolate it from all current (no LED lights)? Machine, doesn't matter. Battery, continous charging of systems is not recommended. Better to let it sit hibernated to disk, suspended to RAM (will use energy) or simply off overnight unless you need a full charge at the beginning of the day. The Libretto batteries and charging system isn't as smart as the latest designs, unfortunatly. Also, continously charging and dischargin within a narrow range will reduce battery lifepsans vs. full discharges and recharges. I beg the differ. Libretto batteries are the same type of battery used in most new laptops. It's Li-ion cell. One thing that separates Li-ion battery with other rechargeable battery is that Li-ion battery does not suffer either over-charge (built-in circuit to prevent that) or memory effect. My third battery is on AC 24/7. It has been that way for almost two years now and still going strong. My other two batteries failed in less than two years because I didn't do so. The Libretto will keep drain the battery in a rate of 8% per day even when shutdown. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:43:28 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions Hi Lawrence .. Lawrence Young wrote: I beg the differ. Libretto batteries are the same type of battery used in most new laptops. It's Li-ion cell. One thing that separates Li-ion battery with other rechargeable battery is that Li-ion battery does not suffer either over-charge (built-in circuit to prevent that) or memory effect. [T] Just to share a passing though, I believe the 'memory effect' was one of those 'tekky myths' (and Nicad / Camcorder sales persons)? *Apparently* it was first spotted in satellite Nicads where there was VERY strict charge (solar panel / sunny side) and discharge (electrical system and dark side) cycles? After MANY of such cycles the nicads showed the memory effect (thinking they were a lower capacity than they should be). This outcome could be easily broken by a charge / discharge above or below the cycle range and 'hey presto' (ish) 100% capacity? I also believe the 'real' case of nicad failure was the build-up of small hair like fibres between the plates (dendrites or summat) effectively shorting the cell out? These could sometimes be 'fused apart' by shocking (zapping) the cell with a heavy current / high voltage for a second or so. Just a thought .. ;-) T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:24:21 +0100 From: Zoltan Gyorgypal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto 110 questions Hi guys, I'm new to this list, so first of all greetings to everyone from Hungary. I recently bought a 4-years-old Libretto 110 CT (first one in my life). I installed WinME and the downloadable stuff from Toshiba, and everything looks/works fine so far. I'd like to ask a few (presumably simple) questions: (1) What is better for the Libretto in terms of machine/battery life span when it is not used and shut down (e. g. overnight): if I leave the AC connected (two LEDS lighting), or if I isolate it from all current (no LED lights)? (2) There are 2-3 pinkish-colored vertical pixel columns on the left edge of the screen. Is this a permanent fault of the screen (the machine is 4 years old), or something can be done with it? (3) The machine _sometimes_ locks up when coming back from hibernation. The screen remains black with the cursor blinking in the left upper quarter of the screen. The only way to come out of this is to push the reset button. This only happens sometimes, with no obvious reason. Is there any experience with this? (I realize from recent posts that suspend/hibernate is a less-than-obvious feature of the Librettos.) (4) My machine has BIOS 7.30, and I downloaded the 8.10 version. Is it worthwhile to replace it? Anything particular to watch out when doing a BIOS update? Can I save/restore the previous one in case something fails? Can it be done safely on a fully installed machine, or better on a virgin one? (5) Is there an Email address where Toshiba service engineers would answer tech questions? (Guarantee is over.) Last words: I'm not a native English speaker, and one of my favorite expressions is the hairy lightbulb - I adore it like the Libretto! :-) Thanks and cheers, Zoltan -- Zoltan Gyorgypal, PhD - http://zolea.com - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:47:12 -0500 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions - Original Message - From: Zoltan Gyorgypal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions (1) What is better for the Libretto in terms of machine/battery life span when it is not used and shut down (e. g. overnight): if I leave the AC connected (two LEDS lighting), or if I isolate it from all current (no LED lights)? Leave it on AC so the Li-ion battery get fully charged all the time. If you don't, the battery will lose its charge in a week. A full recharge eats one of its limited recharge cycles (500 to 1000). (2) There are 2-3 pinkish-colored vertical pixel columns on the left edge of the screen. Is this a permanent fault of the screen (the machine is 4 years old), or something can be done with it? I've one vertical columns changing color if I press on it. The LCD connector at the edge might have worn out. I don't think it worth the risk to open up the LCD screen to fix it. (3) The machine _sometimes_ locks up when coming back from hibernation. The screen remains black with the cursor blinking in the left upper quarter of the screen. The only way to come out of this is to push the reset button. This only happens sometimes, with no obvious reason. Is there any experience with this? (I realize from recent posts that suspend/hibernate is a less-than-obvious feature of the Librettos.) This happens to me most of the time when restore from hibernation in Win98. I since moved to Win2k and use standby all the time. And it never fails on me. (4) My machine has BIOS 7.30, and I downloaded the 8.10 version. Is it worthwhile to replace it? Anything particular to watch out when doing a BIOS update? Can I save/restore the previous one in case something fails? Can it be done safely on a fully installed machine, or better on a virgin one? You will need a 720k floppy disk and boot from floppy to do the BIOS upgrade. You can't upgrade from hard disk. And if you're not intended to install Win2000, you don't really need the new BIOS. Everytime you upgrade any BIOS, you run the risk of failure and trash the whole computer useless. Of course the risk is very small but it is still possible. It doesn't matter it's a new or fully loaded one. (5) Is there an Email address where Toshiba service engineers would answer tech questions? (Guarantee is over.) This list the only email address you need. I don't think the support engineers in Toshiba even know what Libretto is any more. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:16:31 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions At 01:30 PM 4/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:24:21 +0100 From: Zoltan Gyorgypal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto 110 questions Hi guys, I'm new to this list, so first of all greetings to everyone from Hungary. Welcome! The usual initiation rite applies ... *gets out the mini skirt, hairy lightbulb and 'Unsubscribble' tattoo template* ;-) (1) What is better for the Libretto in terms of machine/battery life span when it is not used and shut down (e. g. overnight): if I leave the AC connected (two LEDS lighting), or if I isolate it from all current (no LED lights)? Well if the libby's battery isn't fully charged I leave it overnight on charge, if I think I'll be using the libby the next day but the battery is fully charged I take the battery out but leave it plugged in (I use it for some bedside music and set a program to turn itself off after an hour or so so it still needs power), if the battery hasn't been discharged for a while I leave the battery in, unplug it then run it overnight playing music until the battery dies then charge it up the next night (I had 2 batteries so I could use the other during the day). You probably only need to cycle the battery once every few months, I've probably been doing it more than I really need to. (2) There are 2-3 pinkish-colored vertical pixel columns on the left edge of the screen. Is this a permanent fault of the screen (the machine is 4 years old), or something can be done with it? Its probably permanent unfortunately ... LCDs do that sorta thing. (3) The machine _sometimes_ locks up when coming back from hibernation. The screen remains black with the cursor blinking in the left upper quarter of the screen. The only way to come out of this is to push the reset button. This only happens sometimes, with no obvious reason. Is there any experience with this? (I realize from recent posts that suspend/hibernate is a less-than-obvious feature of the Librettos.) Well the only time I've ever had that on my L100 is when there was a major hardware change (such as hibernating, undocking then unhibernating). I do find that sometimes it takes longer to come out of hibernation/suspend than others (sometimes it wakes up in 10 seconds, other times it wakes up in a minute or so). I find sometimes bashing the 'ctrl' key (or any other key as long as the program that was open doesn't mind) hurries things up but that might just be co-incidence ... hehe (4) My machine has BIOS 7.30, and I downloaded the 8.10 version. Is it worthwhile to replace it? Anything particular to watch out when doing a BIOS update? Can I save/restore the previous one in case something fails? Can it be done safely on a fully installed machine, or better on a virgin one? I'd say replace it anyway. If you read the readme files you'll find that in fact even if you corrupt the BIOS flash, Toshiba is kind enough to give you a way to bypass the bad flash by booting and holding down F12 with the flash disk in the FDD. I'm guessing the F12 routine is hard coded into the BIOS chip in a location that can't be reflashed. Pretty fail-safe really ... (5) Is there an Email address where Toshiba service engineers would answer tech questions? (Guarantee is over.) Umm ... you could try the standard email addresses on the Toshiba website but no guarantees ... Last words: I'm not a native English speaker, and one of my favorite expressions is the hairy lightbulb - I adore it like the Libretto! :-) Hehe add 'unsubscribble' to that ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto 110 questions (1) What is better for the Libretto in terms of machine/battery life span when it is not used and shut down (e. g. overnight): if I leave the AC connected (two LEDS lighting), or if I isolate it from all current (no LED lights)? Machine, doesn't matter. Battery, continous charging of systems is not recommended. Better to let it sit hibernated to disk, suspended to RAM (will use energy) or simply off overnight unless you need a full charge at the beginning of the day. The Libretto batteries and charging system isn't as smart as the latest designs, unfortunatly. Also, continously charging and dischargin within a narrow range will reduce battery lifepsans vs. full discharges and recharges. (2) There are 2-3 pinkish-colored vertical pixel columns on the left edge of the screen. Is this a permanent fault of the screen (the machine is 4 years old), or something can be done with it? You can try disassembly and reseating the LCD connectors and screen (takes 1 hour or so to take apart, may cause more damage if you're not careful). Otherwise, just damaged/broken. New screens - sadly $500+ www.micsol.com. (3) The machine _sometimes_ locks up when coming back from hibernation. The screen remains black with the cursor blinking in the left upper quarter of the screen. The only way to come out of this is to push the reset button. This only happens sometimes, with no obvious reason. Is there any experience with this? (I realize from recent posts that suspend/hibernate is a less-than-obvious feature of the Librettos.) Same here. Usually when I had an Ethernet card in the slot or not, then put it in before bootup - locks up during the card detect and/or DHCP hosting. However, any other time, nope. Win98SE here. (4) My machine has BIOS 7.30, and I downloaded the 8.10 version. Is it worthwhile to replace it? Anything particular to watch out when doing a BIOS update? Can I save/restore the previous one in case something fails? Can it be done safely on a fully installed machine, or better on a virgin one? If the 7.30 bios doesn't support ACPI, there may be a problem with 98 detecting ACPI afterwards, requiring a full reinstall to properly detect and support the new 8.1 bios. But, this may not be a big issue at all, and ME probably will just keep running. I'd bckup the entire libretto, then try. (5) Is there an Email address where Toshiba service engineers would answer tech questions? (Guarantee is over.) ? Give it a whirl, www.csd.toshiba.com - support or this group. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
