Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 07:10:22 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately At 08:47 AM 29/11/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:45:31 -0500 >From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > > >- Original Message - >From: "Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:07 AM >Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > > >> Actually, depending on the security settings you've got (and to be honest, >you DO have to be a little silly to have them set so low for this to happen >BUT there are exploits out there that'll let malicious code lower your >security level without you knowing it), OE CAN be infected by just opening >the email because of the integration of HTML and ActiveX and whatnot. Also, >in OE you can set it to open attachments by SINGLE clicking on the icon >(instead of DOUBLE clicking). Once thats done it becomes all too instinctive >to just open attachments unfortunately ... >> > >Like I said, so far there is no HTML scripting virus yet. And ActiveX is >nothing to conern about because if your ActiveX is not digitally signed (you >have to prove your identity to get a digital signature from company likw >VeriSign), it won't be activated automatically unless you're stupid enough >to lower your setting to allow this. Single Click or double click is not the >point, you still have to click it. And BTW, OE does not offer attachment as >icon. Outlook does. You recon there's way of writing malicious HTML code that'll cause problems? Write an email with "" in it and send it to a Win95, 98, 98SE or WinME computer that hasn't been patched in the last 6-12 months, that isn't running IE6 (ie. it has IE5.5 or below installed) and that is running OE and see how fast it goes down ;-) ... OK, so its not a virus, its exploiting a bug but there are other ways of doing things ... there was one where embedded code in the HTML page would activate the 'ShowMe' function if Office 97/2k were installed on the box and could do whatever the ShowMe function could do (the example I saw would in fact lower your security settings to the lowest setting possible, presumably to allow for a separate attack ... not all security setting lowerings are due to the user remember). That hole has since been patched but you get the idea ... besides which not everyone HAS that patch. The other thing is there are users who say "stuff security" and lower their security settings right to the bottom if they run into that confirmation box a couple of times anyway. I wasn't aware OE didn't have attachment icons (I use Eudora at home, Pine at uni and Groupwise at work) ... what I knew about that single/double clicking thing was what I heard from a collegue so it could well have been Outlook ... you are right though, the point is you still do have to click it but then again, you do have to remember that there are a wide variety of users out there and there will be a certain percentage who will go for it. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:45:31 -0500 From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately - Original Message - From: "Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > Actually, depending on the security settings you've got (and to be honest, you DO have to be a little silly to have them set so low for this to happen BUT there are exploits out there that'll let malicious code lower your security level without you knowing it), OE CAN be infected by just opening the email because of the integration of HTML and ActiveX and whatnot. Also, in OE you can set it to open attachments by SINGLE clicking on the icon (instead of DOUBLE clicking). Once thats done it becomes all too instinctive to just open attachments unfortunately ... > Like I said, so far there is no HTML scripting virus yet. And ActiveX is nothing to conern about because if your ActiveX is not digitally signed (you have to prove your identity to get a digital signature from company likw VeriSign), it won't be activated automatically unless you're stupid enough to lower your setting to allow this. Single Click or double click is not the point, you still have to click it. And BTW, OE does not offer attachment as icon. Outlook does. Lawrence ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:05:48 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately >> I simply use eudora, and don't open unexpected attachments. >> When you don't run the MS virus autoinstaller mail clients, life gets a >lot >> simpler. >> According to today's roundup, I've got some 1700+ attached files >> probably >> half are viruses. >> One of these days, I'll get around to deleting them, but it's hardly worth >> the effort. > >It doesn't matter what email client you use. Actually, depending on the security settings you've got (and to be honest, you DO have to be a little silly to have them set so low for this to happen BUT there are exploits out there that'll let malicious code lower your security level without you knowing it), OE CAN be infected by just opening the email because of the integration of HTML and ActiveX and whatnot. Also, in OE you can set it to open attachments by SINGLE clicking on the icon (instead of DOUBLE clicking). Once thats done it becomes all too instinctive to just open attachments unfortunately ... Most other email clients don't have this problem but I still say Pine under Unix is the best ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:41:10 -0500 From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately - Original Message - From: "David VanHorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > > Virus software is a great way to suck the performance out of your system. That is very true. Sometimes up to 10 times slower. That's why I never use any AV software. > I simply use eudora, and don't open unexpected attachments. > When you don't run the MS virus autoinstaller mail clients, life gets a lot > simpler. > According to today's roundup, I've got some 1700+ attached files > probably >> half are viruses. > One of these days, I'll get around to deleting them, but it's hardly worth > the effort. It doesn't matter what email client you use. The only advantage you get from non-Outlook email client is that if you did get infected you won't help virus to spread to others provided you properly disabled the OL/OE to send emails. It always comes down to the user who clicks to open the attachment. So far, there aren't any email virus that will automatically infect you when you simply read the mail without open the attachment. Why people keep opening the attachment w/o caution is beyond me. Lawrence ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:26:02 -0500 From: David VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately At 03:34 PM 11/28/01 -0800, Mike Ward wrote: >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:29:41 -0500 >From: "Mike Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > >This message had a virus attached to it when I received it. It was one of >the magistrate series, as I recall. If you have it and your virus detector >hasn't found the attachment to be infected, or if (shame on you) you don't >have a virus detection system installed, you should update definitions or at >least delete the message. Virus software is a great way to suck the performance out of your system. I simply use eudora, and don't open unexpected attachments. When you don't run the MS virus autoinstaller mail clients, life gets a lot simpler. According to today's roundup, I've got some 1700+ attached files probably >> half are viruses. One of these days, I'll get around to deleting them, but it's hardly worth the effort. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org Got a need to read Bar codes? http://www.barcodechip.com Bi-directional read of UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, JAN, and Bookland, with two or five digit supplemental codes, in an 8 pin chip, with NO external parts. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:29:41 -0500 From: "Mike Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately This message had a virus attached to it when I received it. It was one of the magistrate series, as I recall. If you have it and your virus detector hasn't found the attachment to be infected, or if (shame on you) you don't have a virus detection system installed, you should update definitions or at least delete the message. It seems to be a misdirected message anyway. Mike -Original Message- From: George Derby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:58 AM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:54:11 + From: George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Similarly the standards fund was appropriately Section 7E The extent to which the principles of best value are applied I have modified this slightly but it is generally well thought and written. Thanks Gllan you do not need to alter this. The school applies the principles of best value very well and has strong understanding of all the elements of this. It does this in a number of ways. The headteacher uses contact with other schools for the deaf as a mechanism for comparison pupils performance at the end of key stages as well as external accredited courses. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: H - RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:37:55 -0500 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: H - RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > Section 7F > > I've been on the Lib list for quite some time but this one has me scratching my head. > > Is David the "headteacher"? I personally think Pres and Neil would be honored to be called children but "pupils" sounds too formal and the idea of a pupil in a miniskirt should be in a different list altogether. I'm assuming overclocking a Lib counts as a "key stage"?!? "External accredited courses" should be installing a large drive without posting a query about the hibernation space for the 1,000th time or does external mean PCMCIA devices? Too confusing... please revise this section. You ALL do realize this was a virus attack, right? Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Kuiphoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately George has a virus in his attachments and likely on on his PC. Regards, Chris --- George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:54:11 + > From: George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > > Section 7E > The extent to which the principles of best value are applied > > I have modified this slightly but it is generally well thought > and written. Thanks Gllan you do not need to alter this. > > The school applies the principles of best value very well and > has strong understanding of all the elements of this. It does > this in a number of ways. The headteacher uses contact with > other schools for the deaf as a mechanism for comparison > pupils performance at the end of key stages as well as > external accredited courses. > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest > ** > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=G:Program FilesSVList31MsgStoreAttachmentslearning.com > ATTACHMENT part 3 application/octet-stream name=G:Program FilesSVList31MsgStoreAttachmentsEfficiency 2 (1).doc __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:26:59 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:26:17 - >From: "Jon C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > >WARNING > >The .exe attachment with George's email has a "PE_MAGISTR.B" virus Which is probably why it got sent? George having nothing to do with it... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:26:17 - From: "Jon C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately WARNING The .exe attachment with George's email has a "PE_MAGISTR.B" virus - Original Message - From: "George Derby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:54:11 + > From: George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Similarly the standards fund was appropriately > > Section 7E > The extent to which the principles of best value are applied > > I have modified this slightly but it is generally well thought and written. Thanks Gllan you do not need to alter this. > > The school applies the principles of best value very well and has strong understanding of all the elements of this. It does this in a number of ways. The headteacher uses contact with other schools for the deaf as a mechanism for comparison pupils performance at the end of key stages as well as external accredited courses. > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest > ** > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
H - RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:20:34 -0500 From: "Cooper, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: H - RE: [LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately Section 7F I've been on the Lib list for quite some time but this one has me scratching my head. Is David the "headteacher"? I personally think Pres and Neil would be honored to be called children but "pupils" sounds too formal and the idea of a pupil in a miniskirt should be in a different list altogether. I'm assuming overclocking a Lib counts as a "key stage"?!? "External accredited courses" should be installing a large drive without posting a query about the hibernation space for the 1,000th time or does external mean PCMCIA devices? Too confusing... please revise this section. I'm afraid I've failed the test and couldn't resist posting a smart-arse reply. Sorry. Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:54:11 + From: George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Similarly the standards fund was appropriately Section 7E The extent to which the principles of best value are applied I have modified this slightly but it is generally well thought and written. Thanks Gllan - you do not need to alter this. The school applies the principles of best value very well and has strong understanding of all the elements of this. It does this in a number of ways. The headteacher uses contact with other schools for the deaf as a mechanism for comparison pupils' performance at the end of key stages as well as external accredited courses. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Similarly the standards fund was appropriately
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:54:11 + From: George Derby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Similarly the standards fund was appropriately Section 7E The extent to which the principles of best value are applied I have modified this slightly but it is generally well thought and written. Thanks Gllan you do not need to alter this. The school applies the principles of best value very well and has strong understanding of all the elements of this. It does this in a number of ways. The headteacher uses contact with other schools for the deaf as a mechanism for comparison pupils performance at the end of key stages as well as external accredited courses. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** learning.com Description: Binary data Efficiency 2 (1).doc Description: Binary data
