Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:00:45
From: "neil barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

This sounds absolutely wonderful...but I'm afraid my email had complete 
hiccups on it! It's almost poetry, but I have no idea what it all means :)

Seriously, if there is a memory upgrade past 32M for ct50 I want one...

Neil


To do , as for idea that you propose suddenly...=20
The turtle turtle doing in ADTEC make 16MB memory of the treasure, the =
rear 8MB increasing =E3=81=A1 =E3=82=83 obtaining you call=20
How, to be fearful there is no =E5=8B=BF body even in world, the wound =
it was the idea which probably will be put out... " (/ )/=20

Acknowledging the fact that this is released pleasantly and you =
appreciate .=20

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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:03:31
From: "neil barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?




From: "Paul Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:38:00 -0800

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:31:59 +0800
From: "Paul Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Hi Lou,

Please find the attached Microsoft Word Document for Libretto 50/70 Expand
Memory Card Pin Assignment. I am very sure that it is useful for the
experiment.

Best regards,

Paul

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Or not, as the case may be. Can you post it on a web site anywhere, or email 
to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll post it on my site.

Cheers,

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RE: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread Alexandre Kaoukhov

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:18:42 +0100
From: "Alexandre Kaoukhov" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

I always wondered what should mean the following Sandra report:

   Memory Controller 
Error Detection Method:   None
Error Correction Capability:  None
Current Memory Interleave:1 way
Number of Memory Slots:   2
Maximum Installable Memory:   128MB
  ^
Maximum Module Size:  64MB
Supported FPM/EDO Speeds: 60ns
Supported Memory Types:   EDO
Supported Memory Voltages:3.3V

   Physical/BIOS Memory Banks 
Soldering (RASLine-0):32MB 60ns EDO single-bank
TOSHIBA unique (RASLine-2):   32MB 60ns EDO single-bank


Cheers,
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread Lou S

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:21:00 -0500
From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Hi Paul, thanks for the posts, they certainly caused a lot of folks to pay 
attention to the memory upgrade possibilities of the Libretto.

I was unable to download your jpeg's at first and responded to what I 
thought you may have done, that is, you used the current memory boards 
within the Libretto. But you're really "adding" memory chips to the board, 
that is possible I suppose but 99.99% of the people here would not be able 
to do it, especially if it requires unsolding surface mount chips and 
cutting a new circuit board. There is also very little room inside the 
Libretto versus the IBM PC to add more chips, where would a new board fit 
in?

Also, it still is; in my mind anyway; a matter of the addresses on the 
memory chip, can the CPU use the new, extra addresses properly? I am only 
familiar with upgrading the memory capacity on a radio. I added switches to 
allow me to addresses certain addresses on a radio memory chip one at a 
time.

An example would be a TV, let's say each channel is 16MB of memory. To use a 
different 16MB of memory I need to change channels, but since I only watch 
one channel at a time that's not a problem using a manual switch to address 
memory.

On my radio I only listen to one station (memory) at a time so it's not a 
problem adding 16 times the memory capacity for storage. But I am not all 
that familiar with a PC's CPU and how it uses RAM memory chips. If your IBM 
shows more RAM, is it actually there or is the CPU fooled into thinking it's 
there?

Once you can explain how the CPU can access the extra addresses on the new 
memory chip I'll be able to understand how you did the mod. PC are not my 
area of expertise, I'll do a hack here and there but your idea is new to me. 
Explain in more detail, take your time, no need to rush, I'm not about to 
run out and buy more chips today :)

Best wishes,
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread Paul Chan

Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:19:15 +0800
From: "Paul Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Hi Lou,

Concerning the space of Libretto's addition memory chip. I think, you can
solid over the existing ram chip (on top of the orginal ram just like thye
IBM PC110, I hope you have seen this machine. This is the smallest PalmTop
PC for mass production, only 1/3 size of Libretto) . I will try to find out
the CPU layout of the Libretto 50/70. If I find will, I will post it on the
mail list. I think, I just show a method to upgrade this good machine just
like IBM PC110 and extend its life. The reason why I wish to find the
solution for memory upgrade is currently I use Win2K with my Libretto. As
you know, Win2K is a memory eater so I hope to find a solution. For the pin
assignment diagram for  Libretto I can sent you personally due to I need
3.5MB pdf file. I cannot post to this mail list. If any one interest I can
email to you.


- Original Message -
From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Libretto" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?


 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:21:00 -0500
 From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

 Hi Paul, thanks for the posts, they certainly caused a lot of folks to pay
 attention to the memory upgrade possibilities of the Libretto.

 I was unable to download your jpeg's at first and responded to what I
 thought you may have done, that is, you used the current memory boards
 within the Libretto. But you're really "adding" memory chips to the board,
 that is possible I suppose but 99.99% of the people here would not be able
 to do it, especially if it requires unsolding surface mount chips and
 cutting a new circuit board. There is also very little room inside the
 Libretto versus the IBM PC to add more chips, where would a new board fit
 in?

 Also, it still is; in my mind anyway; a matter of the addresses on the
 memory chip, can the CPU use the new, extra addresses properly? I am only
 familiar with upgrading the memory capacity on a radio. I added switches
to
 allow me to addresses certain addresses on a radio memory chip one at a
 time.

 An example would be a TV, let's say each channel is 16MB of memory. To use
a
 different 16MB of memory I need to change channels, but since I only watch
 one channel at a time that's not a problem using a manual switch to
address
 memory.

 On my radio I only listen to one station (memory) at a time so it's not a
 problem adding 16 times the memory capacity for storage. But I am not all
 that familiar with a PC's CPU and how it uses RAM memory chips. If your
IBM
 shows more RAM, is it actually there or is the CPU fooled into thinking
it's
 there?

 Once you can explain how the CPU can access the extra addresses on the new
 memory chip I'll be able to understand how you did the mod. PC are not my
 area of expertise, I'll do a hack here and there but your idea is new to
me.
 Explain in more detail, take your time, no need to rush, I'm not about to
 run out and buy more chips today :)

 Best wishes,
 Louis
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-16 Thread Lou S

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:32:24 -0500
From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Concerning the space of Libretto's addition memory chip. I think,
you can solid over the existing ram chip (on top of the orginal ram
just like the IBM PC110,

Piggyback the new RAM chip into place? Most likely not possible on the 50Ct, 
too tight in there and the memory chips are already stacked, wiring new ones 
in will be a nightmare. And while I'm at it, I KEEP forgetting to mention 
that back in '96 I paid $179 for 16 MB additional RAM, last month I paid $69 
for 128 MB of RAM. The prices in '96 made it very unlikely that Toshiba (or 
anyone else) would give you a 32 MB RAM chip and only use 16 MB of it on the 
50CT. The only way to get more RAM was to add it to the slot provided for 
upgrading and unless someone can find a board that will fit into "that" slot 
with more than 16 MB of RAM on it, all the stock 50CT should be capable of 
is 32 MB RAM, sorry.

As for what Paul is offering, it could work provided we can cram another 
board inside a 50CT, it's tight in there! Mounting the chips flat on the 
back of the existing ones will require a lot of soldering of wires Paul, 
even I'll pass on this one. I've unsoldered and resoldered mega-pin surface 
mount chips before, no_fun_at_all :(

The reason why I wish to find the solution for memory upgrade is
currently I use Win2K with my Libretto. Win2K is a memory eater

Can it be configured to be less of a memory eater? Either that or you need a 
100CT or 110CT for more RAM. If you have any files or pictures you want 
placed on a WEB site, if you do not have access to one, let me know I can 
loan you space. Keep in mind that many sites like Yahoo offer "free" Web 
pages too. It'll make it easier for fellow Libretto owners on this board to 
get at the info at their leasure and not tie up this particular board with 
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-15 Thread Marc @ American Elevator

Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:14:05 -0800
From: "Marc @ American Elevator" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

These instructions would make a great skit on Saturday Night Live...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Chan 
  To: Libretto 
  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?


  Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:53:57 +0800
  From: "Paul Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?



  Hi,

  I don't know I have a solution for Libertto 50/70 Memory. I will tried =
  later. Eventually this solution is for IBM PC110 to increase the memory. =
  The Ram chip was the same used in Libretto 50/70, so I think it will be =
  a possible apply to Libretto. Because the data bus of the memory is the =
  same.  The following is the information from a Japanese site.=20

  The 8MB it increases to the ADTEC make 16MB addition MEMORY.=20


  Importance:=20
  When the cover is opened, it is outside the guarantee object of Japan =
  IBM. In addition, looking at this page, the result of remodelling, =
  causing the operational malfunction, and the like responsibility it does =
  not come off. We ask on self responsibility.=20


  To do , as for idea that you propose suddenly...=20
  The turtle turtle doing in ADTEC make 16MB memory of the treasure, the =
  rear 8MB increasing =E3=81=A1 =E3=82=83 obtaining you call=20
  How, to be fearful there is no =E5=8B=BF body even in world, the wound =
  it was the idea which probably will be put out... " (/ )/=20

  Acknowledging the fact that this is released pleasantly and you =
  appreciate .=20




   The addition memory of of the corresponding type obscurity which from =
  now on becomes sacrifice (the ^_^; By the way the tip/chip is " NEC =
  D42S17800LG5-A70 ".=20


   When it peels. Method of peeling inhaling and taking and the solder =
  inhaling the excessive solder with the line and after taking, inserting =
  the =E3=83=9E=E3=83=81 needle between the tip/chip and the foot it =
  applies the =E3=82=B3=E3=83=86, the foot is floated is repetition.=20


  It does not make your death wasteful... (- the person -)=20


   And just 2 on the photograph among 4 when the turtle turtle it does. =
  The tip/chip which was riding the 16MB baseplate is the " HITACHI =
  51W17800LTT6 ".=20

  The Samsung KM48V2100C perhaps the equal item (the ^^; Data seat GET! It =
  does.=20


   It is difficult to see, however is, when you saw that from side (with =
  respect to the photograph right)=20


   Also 4 finishing doing, the turtle turtle the RAS (the 7pin) when it =
  connects. It meaning that between of memory and memory is narrow, =
  whether the one which it solders from the tip/chip of photograph left =
  side is good, the =E3=81=97=E3=82=8C=E3=81=BE=E3=81=9B=E3=82=93. When =
  you attach from the right side, the pin of the RAS which has been =
  floated did with the disturbance and the =E3=81=A5 and others applied =
  is. And as for being the shape where the line of the RAS is unnatural =
  because direction of memory installation 180 degrees you =
  misunderstood...=20

  The photograph the middle you take the forgetting =E3=81=A1 =E3=82=83 =
  =E3=81=A3 it is (the ^_^; HKDRT=20



   After ending job, the whole. After closing the cover, it is completion. =
  When... with you thought, the cover just a little came with thickness of =
  memory and is attached the =E3=81=A3 =E3=81=A1 =E3=82=83 was (the ^_^; =
  However) it closes temporarily, don't you think?.=20



   If it does again to start here, being to think, the 28MB (the built-in =
  4MB+ addition 24MB) with it starts, it does, but... it was recognized =
  the how 32MB. Somehow, the BIOS memory being able to judge just? Being =
  we would like to see, are the DARK2301 (the niftyc:fmpc/LIB/05/13) =
  using, when you look at setting, the place of 02,03 being recognized =
  with the DBDC, it increases. This doing again to set with the CBCC, when =
  it restarts... this time moving with the 28MB, =E3=82=8B circumstances. =
  It drew up still, being to be, the =E3=81=A3 temporary already just a =
  little embezzling, you look at circumstances.=20

  00/07/12 postscript=20
  After all being recognition strangely to be and to be, it drew up the =
  program. Contents do when 03 is DC, the simple thing =E3=81=A3 that the =
  CB, the =E3=81=A6 which is changed into CC reboots 02,03.=20

  Also does this program appears and it is to start and, someone addition =
  24MB memory challenge? 24MB 2 set... we help with 16MB memory + 8MB =
  memory or the 16MB memory x3, therefore (the ^. the ^) / the extent, =
  helping it does not seek the compensation. However success as for =
  guarantee however it is not possible. (It has not failed until now, is, =
  because of sense (the ^-^; M guarantee asks at the place of the =
  necessity training (the _'_) m=20

  How, you try writi

Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-15 Thread Lou S

Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:31:32 -0500
From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Eventually this solution is for IBM PC110 to increase
the memory. The Ram chip was the same used in Libretto
50/70, so I think it will be possible to apply to the Libretto. Because the 
data bus of the memory is the same.

Are all the adresses, A0-A11, on the all memory chips used? If it was 
engineered for more than 16 RAM and they simply tied one or more addresses 
low while the others are high you might be able to get more memory by making 
all addresses high but I assume the CPU does the multiplexing of all the 
memory addresses as per the spec sheet.

I've looked at the chip last year but never followed through on the specs 
and pinouts, if you want to look at the memory chip it can be found at: 
http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Intercom_Group/details/hardware/strongarmdocs.html
 
just download the TC51V16165CFTS-60 Toshiba EDO DRAM Data Sheet (pdf, 1.68 
MB)

Do we have pinouts on the CPU chip? Someone out there must have a schematic 
or service manual.
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-15 Thread Paul Chan

Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:31:59 +0800
From: "Paul Chan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Hi Lou,

Please find the attached Microsoft Word Document for Libretto 50/70 Expand
Memory Card Pin Assignment. I am very sure that it is useful for the
experiment.

Best regards,

Paul
- Original Message -
From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Libretto" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?


 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:31:32 -0500
 From: "Lou S" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

 Eventually this solution is for IBM PC110 to increase
 the memory. The Ram chip was the same used in Libretto
 50/70, so I think it will be possible to apply to the Libretto. Because
the
 data bus of the memory is the same.

 Are all the adresses, A0-A11, on the all memory chips used? If it was
 engineered for more than 16 RAM and they simply tied one or more addresses
 low while the others are high you might be able to get more memory by
making
 all addresses high but I assume the CPU does the multiplexing of all the
 memory addresses as per the spec sheet.

 I've looked at the chip last year but never followed through on the specs
 and pinouts, if you want to look at the memory chip it can be found at:

http://bwrc.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Intercom_Group/details/hardware/stron
garmdocs.html
 just download the TC51V16165CFTS-60 Toshiba EDO DRAM Data Sheet (pdf, 1.68
 MB)

 Do we have pinouts on the CPU chip? Someone out there must have a
schematic
 or service manual.
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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-14 Thread Lawrence Young

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:17:15 -0500
From: "Lawrence Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Of course there is the way-- replace the mother board with your own
design.:)

Foxbat

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From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Libretto" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?


 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:21:30 -0300
 From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

 Hi everyone!
 Is there a magician who can tell me the way (if there's a way) to put
128MB
 of RAM in my Libretto 110CT?
 Thanks
 Paul.




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Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

2001-03-14 Thread Magician
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:44:55 +0900
From: Magician [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Paul,

I can pull out of a hat a Libretto with 96 MB of RAM,
but it will also shrink in size. Magic tricks often cause
this side effect. Now we return from the realm of Magic
to the wisdom of Toshiba.

After Libretto 70, Toshiba made 
Libretto M3 (Mobile pack III) for NTT DoCoMo wireless division, 
with 32 + 64 MB RAM. That was the same size as Libretto 20 through 70.
After that Toshiba increased the size and decreased RAM 
to the maximum of 64 MB in Libretto 100 and 110. 
Logic not understood.

You can find out more following the links from here:
http://auctionaddict.com/cgi-bin/single.cgi?ID=HAAOHTJ1

Oh, I forgot, it also has the magic Japanese alphabet on the keycaps.

The Magician
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Subject: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:29:09 -0800
From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:21:30 -0300
From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 128MB for Libretto 110, is there a way?

Hi everyone!
Is there a magician who can tell me the way (if there's a way) to put 128MB
of RAM in my Libretto 110CT?
Thanks
Paul.




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