Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread Rick Moen
Angelo Schneider wrote: Making "non authorized copies" is slavery! Wow! 85 lines of question-begging. I believe that's a new record. Don, what prize do we have for today's contestant? -- Cheers, "Teach a man to make fire, and he will be warm Rick Moen for

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread John Cowan
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Rick Moen wrote: Angelo Schneider wrote: Making "non authorized copies" is slavery! Wow! 85 lines of question-begging. I believe that's a new record. Don, what prize do we have for today's contestant? Well, we can offer him lots of software for download at the

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread John Cowan
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Angelo Schneider wrote: To copy without the authorization of the creator, denies the freedom of the creator. This is incoherent on any known definition of "freedom". If you are going to use terms in nonstandard ways, you need to explain them, not just appeal to them as

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread Angelo Schneider
Well, It seems that I beg for misunderstanding? So I simply delete and skip that part :-) Nonsense. The U.S. has been changing its copyright laws since 1976 to come into *conformity* with the rest of the world, specifically including the EU. In the EU it is not possible to transfer a

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread Angelo Schneider
Well, I'm not a native english speaker, first fault. I learned british english in scholl, second fault. On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Angelo Schneider wrote: To copy without the authorization of the creator, denies the freedom of the creator. This is incoherent on any known definition of

US, EU, piracy, freedom, control (was Re: Plan 9 license)

2000-09-03 Thread kmself
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 08:44:42PM +0100, Angelo Schneider wrote: Well, It seems that I beg for misunderstanding? So I simply delete and skip that part :-) Nonsense. The U.S. has been changing its copyright laws since 1976 to come into *conformity* with the rest of the world,

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread Mark Wells
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Angelo Schneider wrote: To copy without the authorization of the creator, denies the freedom of the creator. This is incoherent on any known definition of "freedom". freedom means to be free to do and to let do what you want. I do not know of any other

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Mark Wells wrote: Here's a simple test to determine if something has been stolen: does the original owner still have it? Doesn't work. "Because my work is copied and the coies are widely spread, I do not have the potential market that I did before. That market has been

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread John Cowan
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Angelo Schneider wrote: freedom means to be free to do and to let do what you want. I do not know of any other definition. Freedom is freedom to act, or not to act, in a certain way. What action, or inaction, of the creator is prevented when I make unauthorized copies of

Re: Plan 9 license

2000-09-03 Thread John Cowan
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Mark Wells wrote: In this case, the Positive Freedom principle would probably say that creators have a right to be compensated (to some unspecified degree) for their creative effort, and therefore that they should be guaranteed a monopoly on distribution of copies.

IP, theft, markets, morals (was Re: Plan 9 license)

2000-09-03 Thread kmself
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 05:30:14PM -0700, Ken Arromdee wrote: On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Mark Wells wrote: Here's a simple test to determine if something has been stolen: does the original owner still have it? Doesn't work. "Because my work is copied and the coies are widely spread, I do not