Re: Assigning copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Bjorn Andersson
On Wed, Feb 21 2001, at 22:11:52 -0800, David Johnson wrote: Since I can't locate the archives anywhere, could someone either point me to them or offer a recap of a prior discussion? I have been looking for the archive myself, and asked for it on this mailing list, but no one responded. I set

Archives

2001-02-22 Thread Bjorn Andersson
On Thu, Feb 22 2001, at 07:39:28 -0500, Randy Kramer wrote: I've saved almost all of the list since I subscribed, and would be willing to send copies to someone somehow to add to an archive. Thanks, I'm interested. A few things: 1. I don't immediately know when I subscribed -- I have

Re: Archives

2001-02-22 Thread Randy Kramer
Bjorn, A few more things before I send the files: Netscape folders are normal mbox files, aren't they? Yes, AFAIK, except: 1. There is an associated index file (.snm) which you can just ignore. 2. I collected these on Windows, so I suspect they will have a crlf where Linux expects just a

RE: Assigning copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Brice, Richard
Here is a link to an archive for this list. http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:iis:1:28#b -Original Message- From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Assigning copyright Since I can't locate

Re: Assigning copyright

2001-02-22 Thread John Cowan
David Johnson wrote: I now have in my possession a contributed piece of code with an emailed agreement to assign the copyright to me (since there is no umbrella organization to assign it to). The pragmatic part of me says that this is the legally sensible thing to do, It was. If the

RE: Assigning copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
Once again, I need to suggest that it is not appropriate to ask for (or give) specific legal advice on an OSI public discussion list. No attorney worth the paper on which his license is printed will give a specific answer to a specific question in such a forum. And any answer you get from

What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
Here's a question I thought I'd never have to ask. What is a Copyleft? The reason I ask this question relates to RMS's recent pronouncements about Apple's psuedo-open license terms. He says, in part, that one of the flaws of the license is that: "It is not a true copyleft, because it allows

Transfer of Copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
There was an earlier posting asking about how copyrights are transferred. The issue of copyright transfer is a very important one for open source projects, but one that is often ignored. One important consideration is that only the legal or beneficial owner of an exclusive right under a

Re: Transfer of Copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Jimmy Wales
It would be delightful if people could post sample documents for the transfer of copyright. Someone asked something about transfer of copyright to for-profit companies. The idea is that some authors may be wary of transferring their rights to a for-profit company, even though the software has

Re: Transfer of Copyright

2001-02-22 Thread Ben Tilly
Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be delightful if people could post sample documents for the transfer of copyright. Someone asked something about transfer of copyright to for-profit companies. The idea is that some authors may be wary of transferring their rights to a for-profit

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Rick Moen
begin Ryan S. Dancey quotation: Here's a question I thought I'd never have to ask. What is a Copyleft? Your underlying point is well-taken, and perceptive: RMS's recent usage of the term indeed appears to depart from its prior (and customary) meaning, in objecting to the ability to link to

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Rod Dixon
Correct. Your quote from RMS didn't indicate whether he was referring to static or dynamic linking, but since your example uses dynamic linking, I assume that is what RMS meant as well. I do not read the copyleft in the GNU GPL to preclude runtime linking to DLLs. Indeed, to read the copyleft in

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Frank Hecker
"Ryan S. Dancey" wrote: Here's a question I thought I'd never have to ask. What is a Copyleft? The reason I ask this question relates to RMS's recent pronouncements about Apple's psuedo-open license terms. He says, in part, that one of the flaws of the license is that: "It is not a

RE: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Dave J Woolley
From: Ryan S. Dancey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If I write a copyleft free program for Windows, I should be able to load and link at runtime to any DLL in the system, regardless of whether or not that DLL is free code or not, shouldn't I? How else could a Windows program ever

Re: Transfer of Copyright

2001-02-22 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 22 February 2001 09:58 am, Lawrence E. Rosen wrote: There was an earlier posting asking about how copyrights are transferred. The issue of copyright transfer is a very important one for open source projects, but one that is often ignored. One important consideration is that only

Re: Assigning copyright

2001-02-22 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 22 February 2001 07:05 am, Brice, Richard wrote: Here is a link to an archive for this list. http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:iis:1:28#b Thanks for the link. It took a bit of searching, but I found the thread back in April. -- David Johnson ___

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 22 February 2001 02:16 pm, John Cowan wrote: No, DLLs are in the same address space as the main program. They are ordinary code that instead of being mapped at link time, is mapped at the beginning of run time. Calls to a routine in a DLL are essentially ordinary subroutine

Fw: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
Inadvertantly sent just to Mr. Dixon - my apologies to him for the double post. From: "Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M." [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ I said, in reference to various library linking examples:] How can that create a derivative work? Well, the question is why wouldn't it? Because you're not

Re: Fw: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 22 February 2001 10:37 pm, Ryan S. Dancey wrote: I'm suggesting that the definition of a derivative work can't include data being passed between two independent pieces of code, via file, via a network, or via an internal process communication. Making a function call is not the

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Eric Jacobs
"Ryan S. Dancey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you make a function call in compile-time linked code, you are creating a derivative work, because the function code itself will be compiled into the Program and inextricably combined with your code. When the two are separated by a run-time

Re: Fw: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-22 Thread Ryan S. Dancey
From: "David Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Making a function call is not the same thing as actually incorporating the code of that function into the body of the calling code. Though I'm on your "side", there is a big difference between data transfer and code execution. Transferring data