Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Steve Lhomme
I think it's a real pity, because it slows down a lot of effort in the Open-Source direction/community. The OSI approval has become a guarantee for developpers and companies who want to use open-source softwares. And so they're currently stuck with the ones already approved. Not letting a better

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Rick Moen
begin Steve Lhomme quotation: And so they're currently stuck with the ones already approved. Not letting a better chance to newer (and so probably better, because of years of experience of the problems that already happened). I'm curious as to what specific features you see as improvements,

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Rick Moen
begin Steve Lhomme quotation: First, I don't know what are the pending-to-be-certified licenses. Ah, so yours was purely a _theoretical_ concern. Well, please do talk to us about the evolutionary merit of some new licence when you can actually point to one displaying such a trait. --

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Steve Lhomme
| begin Steve Lhomme quotation: | | First, I don't know what are the pending-to-be-certified licenses. | | Ah, so yours was purely a _theoretical_ concern. Completely. Since they are pending, they are not mentioned on the opensource.org website. | Well, please do talk to us about the

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Rick Moen
begin Steve Lhomme quotation: Completely. Since they are pending, they are not mentioned on the opensource.org website. Therefore: Consider yourself invited to read their postings to the list archives and report back. Well, I thought the OSI was there to approve or not the new licenses

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Steve Lhomme
| Completely. Since they are pending, they are not mentioned on the | opensource.org website. | | Therefore: Consider yourself invited to read their postings to the list | archives and report back. I will. But if you followed the thread I replied to a message that complained about a license

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Randy Kramer
Just a different $.02, but relevant I think. For Steve, I think that OSI recently started some other initiatives to try to speed up the license review process (isn't there at least one voluntary advisory committee reviewing one license?). For everyone: Maybe the OSI could publish a few

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Alex Stewart
Ok.. I find it interesting to note that despite significant back and forth and contributions from several different individuals, so far nobody in this thread has even attempted to address either of my actual questions. I think I'm beginning to see why there's a backlog. Steve Lhomme wrote:

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Greg London
Alex Stewart wrote: If the point is to provide a few good, clear-cut licenses for people to choose from, that's one thing, and suggests the OSI should be very picky. If the goal is to encourage open-source licensing terms amongst the software community, that's very different, and

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread David Johnson
On Saturday 22 September 2001 02:17 pm, Greg London wrote: The OSD has 11(?) requirements. how hard would it be to come up with a minimal license that defines these requirements. THen if you want to create your own license, you inherit the minimal license and add to it. It's not as easy as

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Alex Stewart
Greg London wrote: IANAL, but simply from a development point of view, OSI does not appear to be taking advantage of some of open-source's best feature: patches and evolution There is a BIG difference between software and licenses. One of the most pertinent differences in this context is

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread Alex Stewart
David Johnson wrote: A far better solution would be to encourage template licenses, and work towards converting existing licenses into templates. The BSD license is a good example of a simple one. I tend to agree with this. The Apache license is another example (I note it primarily

OSI mark. was[Re: Backlog assistance?]

2001-09-22 Thread Steve Mallett
Or maybe I won't bother. I like the concept of the OSI and what they're ostensibly doing, and I'd even like to help, but when it comes right down to it, it's not like OSI certification is actually _useful_ for anything.. It's really useful. Maybe not in your case, but let me explain. As a

Re: Backlog assistance?

2001-09-22 Thread David Johnson
On Saturday 22 September 2001 06:44 pm, Alex Stewart wrote: Here are OSI certified templates. If you create a license by sticking your name/information/etc into the appropriate fields of this license without modifying anything else, it will be automatically certified within (whatever the

Re: OSI mark. was[Re: Backlog assistance?]

2001-09-22 Thread David Johnson
On Friday 21 September 2001 03:54 pm, Steve Mallett wrote: As more newbies come looking for this thing 'open-source' they keep hearing about they're going to want to know one thing only. Is it open-source or not? Yes or no? I second that opinion. As a developer, I take great pains in