Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread Greg London
Rick Moen wrote: begin Greg London quotation: Look, nobody's going to force-feed common sense to people who don't want to read the OSD in the spirit intended. One has to find one's own. If someone puts out a bunch of source code under the MIT license, and the distro is OSI certifiable,

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread Rick Moen
begin Greg London quotation: If someone puts out a bunch of source code under the MIT license, and the distro is OSI certifiable, there is nothing to prevent someone else from redistributing it in binary form only. Their only penalty is that they lose OSI certification. _Licences_ are

Re: Section 2 source distribution terms (was Re: GPL vs APSL (was:YAPL is bad))

2001-09-26 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Of course, a big problem with the OSD is that it talks about legal requirements, and yet was not touched by a lawyer before being cast into stone. Any kind of extensive rewrite probably ought to be done by people with actual experience with the

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Rick Moen wrote: The DFSG (and thus the OSD) were indeed abstracted out from several popular licences (if I remember accounts by Bruce P.). As adopted by I'd like to restate this. Prior to the formation of the OSI, the free software community was an open, friendly place

Re: YAPL is bad (was: Re: Backlog assistance?)

2001-09-26 Thread Steve Lhomme
En réponse à Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: begin Steve Lhomme quotation: Once again, as I wrote : Is the OSI there to judge what a license is worth ? Ah, I love polemical rhetorical questions! Thanks for the contribution to my collection. In the meantime, since you say your

books about free software open source movement

2001-09-26 Thread lilun95
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OSI Forums test-site - Please review comment

2001-09-26 Thread Steve Mallett
Hello y'all. I have some time on my hands today so I thought I'd solicit some feedback for the *beta* forums site I've setup for OSI that Russell had mentioned to the list this past weekend. *Its only BETA to test if we all like the mechanism. The idea is to see if: 1) It keeps comments

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread Greg London
Rick Moen wrote: begin Greg London quotation: If someone puts out a bunch of source code under the MIT license, and the distro is OSI certifiable, there is nothing to prevent someone else from redistributing it in binary form only. Their only penalty is that they lose OSI

Re: books about free software open source movement

2001-09-26 Thread Greg London
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who can tell me which books about free software movement and open source movement are popular in America, or worth reading for those who are interested in these movements? Could you list about five books? Thanks. I can tell you 1 offhand. Open Sources by O'Reilly.

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread M. Drew Streib
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:55:36AM -0400, Greg London wrote: With 26 licenses, some of them extremely long, most people will not read all of them,nor understand the implications of them. I skipped over to the OSD, read that, and assumed that I could pick any approved license, and the OSD

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-26 Thread Rick Moen
begin Greg London quotation: _Licences_ are OSD-certified. Software is open-source or not, in accordance with its nature (including but not limited to licensing). http://www.opensource.org/docs/certification_mark.html The OSI Certified mark applies to software, not to licenses. Was

Re: YAPL is bad (was: Re: Backlog assistance?)

2001-09-26 Thread Rick Moen
begin Karsten M. Self quotation: - Apple's Darwin project is under the APSL, which remains quite controversial. Well, it is and it isn't. I examined this in at least a little bit of detail when Evan Liebovitch was castigating Apple for allegedly leeching (I paraphrase) off the BSDs.

Re: YAPL is bad (was: Re: Backlog assistance?)

2001-09-26 Thread Rick Moen
begin Steve Lhomme quotation: Here is my practical case for your pragmatic minds : I'm working (not alone) on a derivation of the QPL license in order to make it GPL compatible (and also a few minor changes). Splendid. We will await with interest the cessation of rhetoric and submission of

Re: Self-certification

2001-09-26 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
This is the problem Russel Nelson and I are investigating in our discussion of section 2 of the OSD. Right. I didn't see you discuss that the wording for appplying the mark needs to be on the other web page, not just in OSD #2. (And maybe if the change was there, you would not even have to