RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 23:34 Now that's a truly scary thought if you think about it. The KDE core libraries are under the LGPL, but there are many KDE applications that are under different licenses and

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi all! Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: The discussion on this topic has been very interesting. I am unsure who posted the comment about the lawyers at FSF, but if that person could obtain clearance to post the complete explanation on why FSF has taken the position that the use of

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: Angelo Schneider Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 05:33 As I pointed out allready: linking to an API is not, I repeat: not a derived work. derived work is a legal term. You can not redefine it in your license. Why are in insisting that deriving a new

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi all! This a very good answer as it shows where the common missunderstanding resides! Please see below. Michael Beck wrote: Von: Michael Beck[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] From: Angelo Schneider As I pointed out allready: linking to an API is not, I repeat: not a derived work.

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
Angelo Scneider wrote: As I pointed out allready: linking to an API is not, I repeat: not a derived work. derived work is a legal term. You can not redefine it in your license. I didn't say I agreed with the FSF/RMS interpretation, I just mentioned what I remember it to be. One of the

fileset without makefiles Open Source?!

2001-10-18 Thread Harald Albrecht
Lately I had a discussion with someone who wants to provide source code for his project, but without makefile(s). He intends to call it Open Source. He also intends that people can look at the implementation and tweak it if they like but have to write the makefiles themselves if they want to

Re: fileset without makefiles Open Source?!

2001-10-18 Thread Russell Nelson
Harald Albrecht writes: Lately I had a discussion with someone who wants to provide source code for his project, but without makefile(s). He intends to call it Open Source. G. Nobody has a trademark on Open Source, so he can call it that if he wants. But he's gonna annoy a lot

Re: fileset without makefiles Open Source?!

2001-10-18 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Lately I had a discussion with someone who wants to provide source code for his project, but without makefile(s). He intends to call it Open Source. G. Nobody has a trademark on Open Source, so he can call it that if he wants.

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 18 October 2001 12:21 am, Michael Beck wrote: Now that's a truly scary thought if you think about it. The KDE core libraries are under the LGPL, but there are many KDE applications that are under different licenses and which of subclassed some KDE classes (kwin, kicker,

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 18 October 2001 09:04 am, Michael Beck wrote: Why are in insisting that deriving a new class is equal to linking to an API? Unless you believe that a class cannot be copyrighted, please see the class as a copyrighted entity, the same way as you see a book. Deriving a new class is

Re: fileset without makefiles Open Source?!

2001-10-18 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 18 October 2001 11:10 am, Harald Albrecht wrote: Lately I had a discussion with someone who wants to provide source code for his project, but without makefile(s). He intends to call it Open Source. He also intends that people can look at the implementation and tweak it if they

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread William Uther
Hi, I lurk on the list. I've been skimming the conversation. I thought I'd try an analogy. Not sure if this will help or not. I am not a lawyer, nor do I really know copyright law very well. Feel free to ignore :). Imagine person A creates a picture. Person B comes along and makes an

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:20 pm, William Uther wrote: One could argue that in the second case the overlay is merely USING the original picture, and that the original picture can be copied because of its license. I suspect that a court would rule that you have a derived work here.

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread email
On Tue, 16 October 2001, Michael Beck wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The issue is that when I release something under OpenSource, I want to make sure that it will be used as is, and if there is any derivative work, it will benefit the community, i.e. it will be

Linking and the GPL

2001-10-18 Thread email
Ok, after catching up on all the class wrappers is use messages, I got to thinking (the smoke coming out of my ears was a sign) so I got to reading, and it took too long, so I did a search instead. the string link occurs only once in the GPL. It's WAY past the Terms and Conditions for Copying,

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 18 October 2001 09:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 16 October 2001, Michael Beck wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The issue is that when I release something under OpenSource, I want to make sure that it will be used as is, and if there is

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-18 Thread email
OOP!!! Sorry, my bad. There's four 's in front of your name, but the text below it has three 's, so the quote should go to Michael? not even sure anymore. my cut and paste sucks on this machine. but it was quite misleading. Sorry again. Greg On Thu, 18 October 2001, David Johnson wrote:

Re: Linking and the GPL

2001-10-18 Thread email
On Thu, 18 October 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can someone give a legal explanation why the following aren't true? 1) the GPL does not prohibit linking In advance answer to those who say, the LGPL allows linking, and states that the GPL prohibits it. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if