Re: what was the point?

2001-10-21 Thread Angelo Schneider
Hi all! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, so GPL says you can: 1) copy/distribute verbatim source code under GPL 2) modify/copy/distribute source code and relicense under GPL parts of distribution that are not derived from original are not covered under this license.

Re: what was the point?

2001-10-21 Thread email
On Sun, 21 October 2001, Angelo Schneider wrote: The GPL basicly requires you: all code using a GPLed source needs to be released under GPL and distributed in source format. that's what I don't get. the only way for some other code to 'use' GPL code is to 'link' it. but 'linking' is

Re: what was the point?

2001-10-21 Thread email
On Sat, 20 October 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What exactly was the point of making linking special? The intent, as I understand, is to increase the efficacy of the GPL to encourage extension of the presense of free software. Encouraging

Re: what was the point?

2001-10-21 Thread David Johnson
On Sunday 21 October 2001 05:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but copyright law reserves no rights to the author regarding use. but the only way to use software is to derive from it (link). so, now software authors can control use of their software. which wasn't the intent of copyright law.

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The answer is no. You might recall that trademark law does not grant the TM owner the right to control all use of the mark. If the use is outside the scope of TM usage (namely, the identification of source), it is unlikely that the use invokes in TM rights at all...particularly under the facts

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: David Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 23:52 The bigger issue (in my opinion) is why the LGPL treats inheritance differently from composition. Why is a direct function call different than an indirect function call through a vtable? Because one is

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: Rob Myers Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 09:14 If I write a class which extends java.util.Dictionary, then whose implementation of java.util.Dictionary am I adapting: No-one's. Is the original work changed? No. Is the original work copiedpasted? No.

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 00:06 you are attempting to excercise a right that Copyright Law does not grant you. you are using words that have double meanings that are separate and distinct in their two fields, i.e. derived

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 21:54 Licenses should not be in a position to influence how an application is designed. But if the above interpretation really is that of the FSF, then the LGPL would be

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 08:54 If I write a class which extends java.util.Dictionary, then whose implementation of java.util.Dictionary am I adapting: - GNU Classpath's? - Kaffe's? - Sun's? -

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 22:24 Deriving a new class is equivalent to linking to an API. No question about it. Just examine the mechanism. If anything, inheritance creates an additional level of

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:38 I'm not insisting on that. So can we agree that a class is a copyrighted entity? I of course of the oposite opinion, I only liked to point out: After you have created a

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread email
On Sun, 21 October 2001, Michael Beck wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [snip] [back to Michael] Copies are material objects, other than phonorecords, in which a work is fixed by any method now known or later developed, and from which the work can be perceived,

Re: what was the point?

2001-10-21 Thread email
On Sun, 21 October 2001, David Johnson wrote: On Sunday 21 October 2001 05:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob's Music Conglomeration starts releasing music as an object file. The license says you can only link this music/object file with software licensed by Bob. And Bob's player is a

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread email
On Sun, 21 October 2001, Michael Beck wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 00:06 I am afraid, you are mixing class, and interface concepts here. Class is a design blueprint, similar in its function to chip design or architectural design, and as such it's protected

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Michael Beck wrote: When you derive a class, you are creating a copy of the original class. When you make changes to the new class, you are creating a derivative work, the same way as you would do it by making changes to a copy of book, copy of a picture, copy of a house

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Michael Beck
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 00:05 I'm afraid that you're mixing a copyrightable work with a nice idea. The work, Alice's database, and the idea, all databases, does not prevent Bob from using Alices code, and writing code of his own