Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread Chris F Clark
I'm sorry, Marius, I'm confused. How can be it open source, and yet if used commercially, the authors get a cut? The thing is, we don't see how that hurts the basic tenets of the free software philosophy. ... I know this, and this is the single 'wrong' thing about free software in the view on

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread dlw
Free software is about freedom (liberty) for the end user. It's not about control by the author (except in specific limited respects). If you want control by the author, then you have a different philosophy. Freedom is about giving up control. More freedom, less control. More control,

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Marius Amado Alves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I know this, and this is the single 'wrong' thing about free software in the view on many people (SDC, UUU, Alladin...) Putting the authors out of the loop is silly and unfair. If you don't like losing even that much of the ultimate control

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting dlw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Any attempt to regulate copyright rewards outside of contractual privity is preempted by sec. 301 of the Copyright Act regardless of the philosophical underpinnings of free as in 'freedom' software. Oh, give it up, already. As I'm sure you are well aware,

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread nospam+pixelglow . com
I must admit I'm somewhat sympathetic to Marius' aims, if not convinced about the actual details. Ideally, I would like to craft a dual license that says, in legalese, if you don't pay, reciprocate; if you pay, you don't have to reciprocate. QED. However like Marius I find the GPL and other open

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread Sam Barnett-Cormack
However like Marius I find the GPL and other open source licenses inadequate to express this, since most if not all allow certain situations to avoid reciprocation e.g. internal use, web services. I should think GPL and friends were never designed to be the bad cop part of a good cop, bad cop

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread John Cowan
dlw scripsit: Any attempt to regulate copyright rewards outside of contractual privity is preempted by sec. 301 of the Copyright Act regardless of the philosophical underpinnings of free as in 'freedom' software. That turns out not to be the case. I am attracted to the philosophical

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread John Cowan
Sam Barnett-Cormack scripsit: You buy, or are given legally, a book. Now, copyright stops you from doing most things with it, of course, including fanfic, strictly. FWIW, the case that text-only fanfic actually constitutes a derivative work is extremely shaky. The leading case is about comic

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread No Spam
All, esp. Sam: It irks me that some companies or individuals could use open-source software for profit under internal use, and not pay the original author. Under open source, I then have two choices: 1. Offer the software for free under GPL. Then if no-one redistributes it but uses it

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Ideally, I would like to craft a dual license that says, in legalese, if you don't pay, reciprocate; if you pay, you don't have to reciprocate. QED. This clearly isn't the right mailing list to seek help with that. More about that below.