[License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Lawrence Rosen wrote at 17:00 (EDT) on Tuesday: I asked for practical examples. You cited none. In the world of copyrights or most logical pursuits, absence of evidence isn't evidence. License compatibility issues come up regularly on lots of bug tickets and threads about licensing on lots of

[License-discuss] System 76's BeanBooks Public License v1.0

2013-08-28 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
A colleague of mine asked for my comment on the following license: https://beansbooks.com/home/opensource (included in full text below for the archives). It's reminiscent of the Yahoo! Public License and Zimbra Public License. I notice that it seems that the Zimbra Public License and Yahoo! are

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org wrote: I don't think we need to (or should have) this debate (again) here Yes, please, let's not rehash this discussion here. It's been done many times, and the list is already overflowing this week. Luis

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Hi Luis, I refuse your request to be silent. What is more important to this list than this discussion? I won't just sit here like a lump while Bradley and others continue to encourage OSI to accept erroneous theories about license proliferation and while various groups implement FOSS license

Re: [License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Patrice-Emmanuel Schmitz
Till Jaeger answer to the question What is a derivative work? is (on slide 4): I dont know (and probably nobody else) ! I do agree with him as long there is no case law, but my personal feeling (which as no value as case law !) is that the Court of Justice of the European Union would *not* follow

Re: [License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:59:43AM -0400, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: The GPL has always tried to go as far as copyright would allow to mandate software freedom. That's what Michael Meeks (and/or Jeremy Allison -- I heard them both use this phrase within a few weeks of each other and not sure who

Re: [License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Bradley Kuhn wrote: Finally, I'm unlikely to respond to this thread further as I think the use of slurs like infect (notwithstanding the quotes, and '?') to refer to copyleft are just unnecessarily inflammatory. I've asked you not to talk about copyleft using slur words so many times before

Re: [License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Al Foxone
I also believe that incompatibility is a myth. Here's excellent paper: http://www.btlj.org/data/articles/21_04_04.pdf DANGEROUS LIAISONS—SOFTWARE COMBINATIONS AS DERIVATIVE WORKS? DISTRIBUTION,INSTALLATION, AND EXECUTION OF LINKED PROGRAMS UNDER COPYRIGHT LAW, COMMERCIAL LICENSES, AND THE GPL

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-28 Thread Roberta Cairney
For what it is worth, I am a lawyer that does work in the open source world and I have found the recent discussions, including the Rosen/Kuhn dialog, to be among the interesting and valuable discussions that I've seen on this list in a while. And yes, I have been doing open source work long

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-28 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@lu.is): Yes, please, let's not rehash this discussion here. It's been done many times, and the list is already overflowing this week. I'd actually be interested in Bradley or Eben pointing to any caselaw that supports their view. It's a fair, interesting, and relevant

Re: [License-discuss] License incompatibility (was Re: Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.)

2013-08-28 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Larry, it seems that you responded to my point that calling the GPL by the name 'infection' is a slur that spreads needless discord with (paraphrased) it's not the GPL; it's the work that *you*, Bradley, and others have done enforcing the GPL that's an infection on our community. This doesn't