Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-02-02 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Danese Cooper wrote: I know that some of the bigger firms in the US are explicitly copyrighting their briefs. Having a copyright on an expression of an information process is very different than having a patent on the process itself. As long as you don't infringe on

RE: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-02-01 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Ken Brown wrote: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1462778,00.asp I love it. They filed a patent for a process my company had a working example of long before the date of filing, and unlike these guys, we actually implemented it and ran it. We don't run our site,

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-02-01 Thread John Cowan
Brian Behlendorf scripsit: I love it. They filed a patent for a process my company had a working example of long before the date of filing, and unlike these guys, we actually implemented it and ran it. We don't run our site, SourceXchange, any longer, but it's still infuriating to see IBM

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-02-01 Thread Danese Cooper
I know that some of the bigger firms in the US are explicitly copyrighting their briefs. D John Cowan wrote: Game theory lesson: file a patent on *anything* you're doing. I'm considering filing one on the particular way I walk down the hall after waking up in the morning. Why not? That

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-29 Thread Ben Reser
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:06:10AM -0500, Russell McOrmond wrote: I believe that with the speed of software innovation that comparing 20 years to 50 years (or 75-95 in the USA - I forget how far the USA has gone) for exclusive rights in software is like having a philosophical debate about

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-29 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Ben Reser wrote: I don't see how you can claim this is an infinity-minus-one vs infinity argument. ... If the length of a patent hurts software innovation was not the point. Nor did I make any commentary on that. I simply pointed out an inaccuracy in your statement.

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Osfield
Just a coupe of corrections: On Tuesday 27 January 2004 21:11, Robert Osfield wrote: The software patents directive which so far has been turned around at first vote in EP vote back in the summer which ratified that pure software is patentable, as per the 1974 Europen Patent Convention.

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Alex, On Wednesday 28 January 2004 15:19, Alexander Terekhov wrote: As an individual (being not at work and not part of some collaborative product development community [CPL terms are the best for it, I believe]), I release the code straight into the public domain, for example:

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Robert Osfield wrote: [...] vulnerabilities and risks to our livelihood. If you don't intend to eliminate all IP laws (as an ultimate solution to the problem of vulnerabilities and risks), then something like www.pubpat.org is the way to go, I think. regards, alexander. -- license-discuss

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Robert Osfield wrote: [...] vulnerabilities and risks to our livelihood. If you don't intend to eliminate all IP laws Please stop trying to prove Richard Stallman correct by abusing the term Intellectual Property to suggest that you are

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Osfield
On Wednesday 28 January 2004 17:59, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Robert Osfield wrote: [...] vulnerabilities and risks to our livelihood. If you don't intend to eliminate all IP laws (as an ultimate solution to the problem of vulnerabilities and risks), then something like www.pubpat.org is

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Robert Osfield
Another interesting read is the U.S. Federal Trade Commission reaserch into patent policy and competition policy, you find extracts at: http://www.ffii.org.uk/ftc/ftc.html The conclusion are that in the software sector competition is much more important factor in driving innovation

RE: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-28 Thread Russell McOrmond
(Copying Eric Raymond in case he would find this thread interesting -- not sure if he is a member of the license-discuss list) While the discussions of copyright and patent law and licensing might be seen as on-topic, I suspect we are really sliding off-topic for this list with this message.

RE: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-27 Thread Ken Brown
: Robert Osfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:51 AM To: Russell McOrmond; OSI license discussion Subject: Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source Hi Russel, I expect your position is held by 95% of software developers, I havn't met one software

Re: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-27 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Ken, On Tuesday 27 January 2004 20:16, Ken Brown wrote: I am really interested in this stuff. First all, I have to say that I suspect a tad bit of paranoia in the reporting about what's happening overseas. Not overseas for me. I'm based in the Scotland, very much part of the EU for

RE: PCT (Patents, Copyright, Trademark) policy and Open Source

2004-01-27 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ken Brown wrote: [...] I am really interested in this stuff. First all, I have to say that I suspect a tad bit of paranoia in the reporting about what's happening overseas. What sources are you quoting that talk about criminalization for patent infringement? Sources in opposition to the