Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
At 05:20 PM 9/7/01 +0100, Daniel MD wrote: AI too have reviewed this license and i think it needs allot of modification, some bits are really confusing. But i have failed to see any answers from the Author. Sorry for going radio silent on this. We're in the process of reviewing the comments

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-14 Thread Daniel MD
At 11:11 14-09-2001 -0700, you wrote: At 05:20 PM 9/7/01 +0100, Daniel MD wrote: AI too have reviewed this license and i think it needs allot of modification, some bits are really confusing. But i have failed to see any answers from the Author. Sorry for going radio silent on this. We're in

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
] -Original Message- From: John Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:08 AM To: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. Cc: Rick Moen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. scripsit: But, do note that the more your license terms

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No attorney-client relationship is established. etc etc. From: SamBC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Humphreys, Noel [EMAIL PROTECTED], License-Discuss@Opensource. Org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:00:50 +0100

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread sambc
IANAL and all that jazz... SNIP Copyright law does state that the copyright holder does not perforce reserve the right to use the work, however that may apply to the work. They may not forbid people to read a book, but they may forbid them to read it in public. They may not forbid people to

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread David Johnson
On Sunday 09 September 2001 03:01 pm, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: I consider licenses like the MIT license to be at the bottom of the open source barrel because they are ostensibly end-user licenses, at best. They are not as protective of freedoms as the GNU GPL (no copyleft), they say

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Certainly no insult or attack upon an individual or a project was intended by my describing a license's objective. I think my point was misunderstood and I apologize for not being clearer. Rod -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread David Johnson
On Monday 10 September 2001 08:46 pm, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: Certainly no insult or attack upon an individual or a project was intended by my describing a license's objective. I think my point was misunderstood and I apologize for not being clearer. Apology accepted, just as long as

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-09 Thread SamBC
-Original Message- From: Humphreys, Noel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIP Copyright law empowers an author to restrict others from copying the work. A user therefore wants the license to allow the user to copy the work. In software terms, copying occurs when the user's hard drive

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-09 Thread John Cowan
Joseph Reagle scripsit: On Friday 07 September 2001 14:48, John Cowan wrote: Contracts are bilateral in the sense that they are founded on an offer and an acceptance. Open source licenses generally tell you that you may do certain things (otherwise forbidden by statute) on certain

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-09 Thread John Cowan
Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. scripsit: But, do note that the more your license terms resemble nothing more than a non-exclusive grant of copyright to the end-user, the more likely your open source license should be considered a run-of-the-mill copyright license that is governed by the Copyright

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-08 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
' RTSP Proxy License begin Laflamme, Elaine quotation: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a similar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before downloading

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License On Thursday 06 September 2001 02:36 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SOFTWARE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT YOU HAVE READ THIS LICENSE, UNDERSTAND IT, AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Daniel MD
At 09:03 9/7/01 -0700, you wrote: begin Laflamme, Elaine quotation: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a similar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 07 September 2001 12:01, Jeffry Smith wrote: A key point that I've found on Open Source - you place the license on REDISTRIBUTION, not use. Remember that, under standard Copyright, the user has the right to use the software, but not redistribute new or modified copies. The Open

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
Rick Moen said: begin Laflamme, Elaine quotation: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a similar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before downloading and using

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
Joseph Reagle said: On Friday 07 September 2001 12:01, Jeffry Smith wrote: A key point that I've found on Open Source - you place the license on REDISTRIBUTION, not use. Remember that, under standard Copyright, the user has the right to use the software, but not redistribute new or modified

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread John Cowan
Joseph Reagle scripsit: I've noted this distinction between an acceptance of a license (unilateral?) and contract (bilateral?) before [1]; it's an interesting (and perhaps) important distinction that I don't completely understand yet. Contracts are bilateral in the sense that they are

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: OK, not being a lawyer, I may not have the full grasp, but from my one term of Business Law, I don't see how a license is enforceable EXCEPT under contract law. Nothing in Copyright Law specifies the Licenses (at least what I've read of the 1976 law

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Humphreys, Noel
: Matthew C. Weigel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: OK, not being a lawyer, I may not have the full grasp, but from my one term of Business Law, I don't see

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-06 Thread Russell Nelson
Rob Lanphier writes: 2.Tell us which existing OSI-approved license is most similar to your license. Explain why that license will not suffice for your needs. If your proposed license is derived from a license we have already approved, describe exactly what you have changed.

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-06 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 06 September 2001 02:36 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOU AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SOFTWARE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT YOU HAVE READ THIS LICENSE, UNDERSTAND IT, AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT, DO NOT USE THE

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-05 Thread Jeffry Smith
Rob Lanphier said: Hi all, I'd like to submit the RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy license for OSI certification. The text of the license can be found at the URL below as well as in section B of this email: http://www.rtsp.org/2001/proxy/license.html Thanks Rob