Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Rick Moen wrote: begin Rodent of Unusual Size quotation: This has the beneficial effect of making it harder to create Yet Another open source license. I continue to feel that the 'benefit' is a matter of opinion, not a certainty nor natural law. Licence compatibility issues

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rick Moen
begin Rodent of Unusual Size quotation: 'Discouraging proliferation' != 'making it harder to create'. This attitude seems equivalent to saying, 'Okey, we have all the good licencing ideas there ever will be, close the doors' Spot the irrelevant straw-man argument. No points. --

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Rick Moen wrote: To be really explicit, then: You indulged the time-honoured pastime of setting up a caricature of your interlocutor's position and then knocking it down. If I did, I assure you it was unintentional. :-) If anything, I think you may have been guilty of this before I, since

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rick Moen
begin Rodent of Unusual Size quotation: Or, to quote Russ exactly, This has the beneficial effect of making it harder to create Yet Another open source license. The correctness of Russ's statement as posted should be apparent. I fail to see the utility of debate. I agree with keeping the

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: This has the beneficial effect of making it harder to create Yet Another open source license. I agree with keeping the number of essentially identical licences to a minimum. I do *not* agree with accomplishing that by discouraging people

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Given the current process, that is most likely true. But since I do not believe the current process is as good as it could be, I do not consider that truth to be an absolute one. Neither do I. Possible improvement #1: if the load is too

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rick Moen
begin Rodent of Unusual Size quotation: Well, then, I guess you fail to see it. We concur, for suitable values of it. That does not make the statement correct, however. Also true: Its accuracy may be assessed independently. (I can recommend some good books on formal logic, should you be

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Matthew C. Weigel wrote: I think we agree on everything but the value of trying to get the current process more effective over doing a complete overhaul. Okey, I can go along with that. :-) -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer,

Re: W3C license

2001-09-05 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: I think we agree on everything but the value of trying to get the current process more effective over doing a complete overhaul. Okey, I can go along with that. :-) To clarify my statements (I didn't expect agreement or I wouldn't have

Re: W3C license

2001-08-31 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Russell Nelson wrote: This has the beneficial effect of making it harder to create Yet Another open source license. I continue to feel that the 'benefit' is a matter of opinion, not a certainty nor natural law. Therefore I continue to object -- courteously -- to remarks that take it as a

Re: W3C license

2001-08-31 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 30 August 2001 18:41, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: Yes, that's the point. Russ got onto me awhile back for complaining about the OSI not listening, without sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our request is pending from January 14 2000 [1], which complied with the stated policy of

Re: W3C license

2001-08-31 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 30 August 2001 23:53, Russell Nelson wrote: Why didn't you tell me?? Because if you don't bother asking us how the license approval is going, you obviously don't care. If you don't care, we don't care. I fear this style of collaberation isn't as productive as *anyone*

W3C license

2001-08-30 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
Why is this license (http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/ipr-notice-2612) not listed on the OSI list of approved licenses (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/)? Actions the W3C would apparently like to take - including hosting Amaya on sourceforge.net - depend upon this approval, which has

Re: W3C license

2001-08-30 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, David Johnson wrote: The page you referenced is not the page containing the software license. This is a better link: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/copyright-software-19980720 Thanks. As to why it has not yet been approved, I couldn't tell you. I understand that

Re: W3C license

2001-08-30 Thread Russell Nelson
Matthew C. Weigel writes: Why is this license (http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/ipr-notice-2612) not listed on the OSI list of approved licenses (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/)? Why isn't it listed? Because it's not approved. Why isn't it approved? Because we got hideously

Re: W3C license

2001-08-30 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Hey, when did you do that? 25 April 2001. Why didn't you tell me?? Because if you don't bother asking us how the license approval is going, you obviously don't care. If you don't care, we don't care.