a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Russell Nelson
I have a problem that I would like y'all to consider. A company sells datasets. They wish to cooperate with the opensource folks to the extent that opensource folks can use a free copy of their dataset. They would also like to be able to sell that same dataset to people using proprietary

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Brian DeSpain
Russell Nelson wrote: I have a problem that I would like y'all to consider. A company sells datasets. They wish to cooperate with the opensource folks to the extent that opensource folks can use a free copy of their dataset. They would also like to be able to sell that same dataset to people

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: I have a problem that I would like y'all to consider. A company sells datasets. They wish to cooperate with the opensource folks to the extent that opensource folks can use a free copy of their dataset. They would also like to be able to sell that same dataset to

RE: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
What's the problem? Simply specify that open source applications can use the data while any closed source application must get an appropriate. It's open if it's open and closed if it's closed. The Sleepycat license is here http://www.opensource.org/licenses/sleepycat.php The Sleepycat

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence E. Rosen scripsit: The telephone book is copyrightable, although the individual names and numbers aren't. Say what? I thought the whole point of Feist v. Rural Tel. Serv. Co. was that even compilation copyright doesn't apply to phone books, there being insufficient creativity, even

RE: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
The telephone book is copyrightable, although the individual names and numbers aren't. Say what? I thought the whole point of Feist v. Rural Tel. Serv. Co. was that even compilation copyright doesn't apply to phone books, there being insufficient creativity, even for an IP court, in

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: to insist (by legal, not technical, means) that your page on the WWW is only to be read by people with Mozilla (etc.) browsers, and not IE browsers. How do you manage to enforce such a thing? Aha! Bing! That's how you do it! You publish the data in a special open

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Brian DeSpain
Russell Nelson wrote: Lawrence E. Rosen writes: The Sleepycat license is vendor and product specific. It refers to DB software (whatever that is) and includes the following warranty: THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY SLEEPYCAT SOFTWARE ``AS IS'' AND The Sleepycat licenses is not reusable as

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: They'd *really* like to get the best of both worlds: cooperate with people who share and stick it to the people who don't (or, um, can't.) As an employee of Reuters, which has been selling price-discriminated information for over 150 years, there is no way for your

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: Aha! Bing! That's how you do it! You publish the data in a special open source format, which is unusable by Windows applications. Sure, somebody in the open source world might create a format converter, but why would they bother? Even if they did, you're

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: Russell Nelson scripsit: Aha! Bing! That's how you do it! You publish the data in a special open source format, which is unusable by Windows applications. Sure, somebody in the open source world might create a format converter, but why would they bother?

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: And that's exactly what this customer wants: respect from the open source people and money from the Windows people. And which am I? I'm typing now on a Windows system that's ssh-ed to a Linux system running elm. Does it matter if I use the proprietary or the Cygwin