Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ralf Schwoebel wrote: We still wait for comments from the board on our license, but meanwhile please comment on that: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4833927.html?tag=mn_hd Heh, I wish they had included the part where I said if MS really said that Open Source was a

Wording in Open Source Definition

2001-02-16 Thread Richard Boulton
This will appear to be an extremely pedantic email, but it arises from a discussion with a corporate lawyer who I believe was genuinely confused by some of the wording in the Open Source Definition. The discussion focussed around the intent of clause 1, Free Redistribution, in particular "The

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Seth David Schoen
Brian Behlendorf writes: Bullocks - you may agree or disagree with the contention that swapping someone else's IP against their will is theft, but you can't claim that someone who writes software and *intentionally* gives it away for free is a threat to anyone. That person is a threat to

RE: Converting/Splitting Code - Open to Closed

2001-02-16 Thread Dave J Woolley
Forutnately for us Europeans, that doesn't apply here - software and algorithms are, IIUC, non-patentable in Europe. IANAL [DJW:] The recent UK government consultation paper++ on the possibility of introducing US like software patents said that European law allowed software patents where

Re: Wording in Open Source Definition

2001-02-16 Thread John Cowan
Richard Boulton scripsit: We were unable to come to a satisfactory agreement, so I am asking this list: "Is it permissible in any circumstances for an Open Source license to require a royalty or other fee for sale of the software?" The answer is clearly "no". If the answer is no, I humbly

RE: Wording in Open Source Definition

2001-02-16 Thread Dave J Woolley
From: Richard Boulton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] We were unable to come to a satisfactory agreement, so I am asking this list: "Is it permissible in any circumstances for an Open Source license to require a royalty or other fee for sale of the software?" [DJW:] The GPL is

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Frank Hecker
Seth David Schoen wrote: Going out of business is a real, time-honored, traditional market response to changing conditions. Some people (Schumpeter?) have written entire books on how it's supposed to be a really good thing that firms can go out of business. But surely those firms would have

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread David Johnson
On Friday 16 February 2001 02:20 am, Seth David Schoen wrote: If there were a big market for some kind of labor and a lot of people began to do that same labor as volunteers, or as a hobby, the people who did it for a living would see their livelihood threatened, even though the activities

Re: Wording in Open Source Definition

2001-02-16 Thread David Johnson
On Friday 16 February 2001 01:49 am, Richard Boulton wrote: The discussion focussed around the intent of clause 1, Free Redistribution, in particular "The license may not require a royalty or other fee for such sale." As a child, when your lawyer's mother told him that he "may not have a

Re: Wording in Open Source Definition

2001-02-16 Thread Seth David Schoen
John Cowan writes: Richard Boulton scripsit: We were unable to come to a satisfactory agreement, so I am asking this list: "Is it permissible in any circumstances for an Open Source license to require a royalty or other fee for sale of the software?" The answer is clearly "no".

RE: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Jordan \Logos\ Greenhall
From a public-policy perspective, the object should be that the public is well-served. In this sense, the criterion for judging the "threat" of free software is whether an economy that includes free software provides a public benefit equal to or better than an economy that doesn't include free

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread David Johnson
On Friday 16 February 2001 11:00 am, Tom Hull wrote: 2) It pushes the argument that Microsoft is not a monpoloy, that Microsoft faces serious, threatening competition, and therefore that breakup is unnecessary and possibly counterproductive. Actually, it's a very good argument.

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Kevin Shrieve
Of course, this is a blatant FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) strategy at work -- tossing out ridiculously muddled thoughts in hopes that they can cause IP anxieties surrounding Napster to be associated with the phrase "open source". No shame! QUOTE from the article: Microsoft has told U.S.

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Rick Moen
begin Jordan Logos Greenhall quotation: So, would a world powered by Linux be worse-off than a world powered by Windows? http://www.perlguy.net/images/opensource1.gif -- Cheers,Before enlightenment, caffeine. Rick Moen After

Re: boomberg bloopers

2001-02-16 Thread Martin Zam
--- Brian Behlendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when a group of entities get together and decide to "sell" a thing at a cost substantially lower than the cost of production, *with the intent to affect other parties who can not make a similar unreturned investment*, then that is usually called