Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Ian Stokes-Rees wrote: We are looking at open sourcing a software project and are currently trying to evaluate BSD vs. Apache. The issue is that our code base includes Xerces-C (XML parser) which is under Apache Public License. The implication, then, is that for both subsequent source and

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread Ian Stokes-Rees
To clarify: Please refer to the "GPL-Incompatible, Free Software Licenses" section on the GNU web site at: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses Second, my mistake was in wording: We are not going to turn over our software to Apache, therefore when I say we

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread John Cowan
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: This is my _understanding_ of what happens when people use Apache, and that it was the major criticism of the original BSD license, hence the new BSD license. And hence the Apache 1.1 licence revision, which mirrored that change in the BSD licence. I

Re: licenses for RPGs

2001-03-20 Thread phil hunt
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, David Johnson wrote: The only licenses halfway-acceptable for me are the OOGl and OGL. What do you like about these licenses? I have two issues with them. First, they are lengthy and potentially confusing (to the user) licenses. Second, they are copyleft, and I

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Ian Stokes-Rees wrote: If we were to do this, and subsequent developers were to do the same, then each developer who redistributed the accumulated code base with new files and entirely new code which they put under _their_ version of

Updates?

2001-03-20 Thread SamBC
I recall I while ago we started receiving updates as to what licenses are waiting, and what licenses are approved/refused and why. This doesn't seem to have happened for a while - any chance of it happening again (please). I mainly ask as I am wondering about getting more information on the

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread phil hunt
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Stallman has indicated to me that clause 4 ("Apache" may not be used to endorse) will be compatible with the GPL v3, That's a good change. but clause 5 ("Apache" may not appear in the product name) will not. That isn't good, and is IMO

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday March 20 2001 06:12 pm, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Stallman has indicated to me that clause 4 ("Apache" may not be used to endorse) will be compatible with the GPL v3, but clause 5 ("Apache" may not appear in the product name) will not. Why is it always the non-GPL license that must

Re: licenses for RPGs

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday March 20 2001 01:39 pm, phil hunt wrote: Second, they are copyleft, and I am not desiring a copyleft license for this project. Unfortunately, the Open Gaming License will only approve copylefted licenses and games. In other words, I can release a public domain game and they

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, David Johnson wrote: On Tuesday March 20 2001 06:12 pm, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Stallman has indicated to me that clause 4 ("Apache" may not be used to endorse) will be compatible with the GPL v3, but clause 5 ("Apache" may not appear in the product name) will not.

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread kmself
on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 07:43:31PM +, David Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday March 20 2001 06:12 pm, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Stallman has indicated to me that clause 4 ("Apache" may not be used to endorse) will be compatible with the GPL v3, but clause 5 ("Apache" may

Re: licenses for RPGs

2001-03-20 Thread Ken Arromdee
The Open Gaming License isn't quite what it seems. The difference between that license and the GPL is that without the GPL, you can't distribute copies at all, and the GPL gives you the right to distribute copies under some conditions--that is, it adds rights. The Open Gaming license is closer

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 21 2001 05:19 am, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Why is it always the non-GPL license that must conform? Why is the GPL never criticized for being incompatible? Er, actually, it sounds like he's considering substantive changes in GPLv3, or at least "clarifications" for the

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 21 2001 05:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other question is: if your objectives align with those of the GPL (copyleft, promotion of free software), why would you need a different license? This isn't an entirely rhetorical question. There's a difference between

Re: licenses for RPGs

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 21 2001 05:46 am, Ken Arromdee wrote: The Open Gaming license is closer to extortion. The key is that game rules are not copyrightable, and normally you'd have complete rights to create D20-compatible material. However, TSR threatens to sue people who do that. Since

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread David Johnson
On Wednesday March 21 2001 06:41 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a difference between aligning and coinciding. If my goals coincided exactly with the FSF, you would be completely right. But if they differ even a tiny fraction, then the possibility exists that another license is more