Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Dear Eben and others, Here's another interesting case, this one perhaps more directly related to the designation of someone as a trusted and accountable fiduciary for licensing intellectual property: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Patents_Company /Larry

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Zooko, It might be worth mentioning here that you and I have had discussions for years about the idea of drafting TGPPL as a set of exceptions to Affero GPLv3 and/or GPLv3. I believe this is indeed possible, but requires a good amount of tuits. IIRC, Zooko, first draft was on you, right? :) --

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
On Wednesday, 14 August 2013, John Cowan wrote: Suppose that Alice sells Bob the source code to Yoyomat, a proprietary program with delayed GPL. After the term has passed, Bob may now distribute *that very copy* of Yoyomat freely to Charlie under the terms of the GPL. In the scenario you

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-18 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Bradley M. Kuhn scripsit: Richard Fontana pointed out in his OSCON talk that license choosers generally make political statements about views of licenses. He used the GitHub chooser as an example, which subtly pushes people toward permissive licenses. John Cowan wrote at 09:49 (EDT):

Re: [License-discuss] Minor change to website

2013-08-18 Thread Richard Fontana
Pam, Luis: I have fixed this. - Richard On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 04:27:01PM -0700, Luis Villa wrote: Hi, Pam- Right place; right comment. I'm a bit out of pocket right now with regards to passwords for the site (a long, sad story involving multiple computers and a lot of travel ;) but will

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-18 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:17:47AM -0400, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: Sorry for posting a month late on this thread [I hadn't poked into the folder for this list in some time], but I didn't see a consensus and wanted to add my $0.02. Luis Villa wrote on 16 July: In the long-term, I'd actually

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Richard Fontana
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 08:44:02PM -0400, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: Zooko, It might be worth mentioning here that you and I have had discussions for years about the idea of drafting TGPPL as a set of exceptions to Affero GPLv3 and/or GPLv3. I believe this is indeed possible, Not with an

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. It is ironic that you wrote: Specific performance, a mandatory remedial order

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Yes, that's the alternative I originally recommended and that we have been

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread John Cowan
Eben Moglen scripsit: Yes, it is simple. I am asserting that in no meaningful sense is your agreement enforceable, if during the period of the proprietary agreement your promisor revokes and refuses to issue the program under free license. That surely won't work, but it's not what I take

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-18 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 8/17/2013 9:38 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: Speaking just for myself, it is difficult for me to imagine any license chooser or license explanation site that I wouldn't think was more problematic than useful. Linking to a*wide* variety of license choosers or summary sites with a very strong

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Eben Moglen
On Sunday, 18 August 2013, John Cowan wrote: That surely won't work, but it's not what I take Larry to be describing. Rather, he is talking about a contract which grants the right *to the licensee* to distribute copies of his copy under the GPL, provided he does so not earlier than one

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-18 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 8/15/2013 10:17 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: I was told GitHub's chooser accepts patches, and I was planning at some point to try to patch out this bias myself and see if my patch was accepted -- but of course any patch I produce is going to have subtle copyleft biases -- which I think was

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread John Cowan
Eben Moglen scripsit: No, Mr Cowan. The license only exists if the precedent license hasn't been terminated or revoked during the term. There is no precedent license. There is only one license, some of whose terms don't come into effect for a while. So the presumptive GPL distributor who

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Lawrence Rosen
I'll elect to focus on Eben's legal arguments rather than his ad hominem attacks. I do so with the intent of alerting the rest of this list to his misstatements of the law, not to try to educate him. Eben is right that a license can terminate before its terms are completely executed, for reasons

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread Eben Moglen
You seem determined to take offense, Mr Cowan. In the first place, I think you might have missed the point of the Shakespeare quotation preceding the remark you object to. I didn't compare Mr Rosen to a 1L. I wrote that the unavailability of specific performance in contract is 1L material. I

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-18 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence Rosen scripsit: I'll elect to focus on Eben's legal arguments rather than his ad hominem attacks. Indeed; far better to remain above the fray yourself, and allow your outraged and moralistic friends (such as myself) to play Huxley to your Darwin. Eben is right that a license can