Re: newsforge story

2001-09-07 Thread Chris Gray
Daniel MD wrote: And i see Chris you have been spending some time around marketers:-). 8-0 -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
Laflamme, Elaine said: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a sim ilar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before downloading and using Netscape's SmartDownload.

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Daniel MD
At 09:03 9/7/01 -0700, you wrote: begin Laflamme, Elaine quotation: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a similar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 07 September 2001 12:01, Jeffry Smith wrote: A key point that I've found on Open Source - you place the license on REDISTRIBUTION, not use. Remember that, under standard Copyright, the user has the right to use the software, but not redistribute new or modified copies. The Open

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
Rick Moen said: begin Laflamme, Elaine quotation: There is a recent case in the Southern District in New York holding that a similar provision was not enough to create a contract because it did not require an affirmative action such as clicking on an Accept button before downloading and using

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Jeffry Smith
Joseph Reagle said: On Friday 07 September 2001 12:01, Jeffry Smith wrote: A key point that I've found on Open Source - you place the license on REDISTRIBUTION, not use. Remember that, under standard Copyright, the user has the right to use the software, but not redistribute new or modified

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread John Cowan
Joseph Reagle scripsit: I've noted this distinction between an acceptance of a license (unilateral?) and contract (bilateral?) before [1]; it's an interesting (and perhaps) important distinction that I don't completely understand yet. Contracts are bilateral in the sense that they are

Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: OK, not being a lawyer, I may not have the full grasp, but from my one term of Business Law, I don't see how a license is enforceable EXCEPT under contract law. Nothing in Copyright Law specifies the Licenses (at least what I've read of the 1976 law

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-07 Thread Humphreys, Noel
This is not legal advice, and you are not entitled to rely on this for any purpose. I merely suggest these thoughts to help the discussion along. Copyright law empowers an author to restrict others from copying the work. A user therefore wants the license to allow the user to copy the work.