Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Kenneth Geisshirt
Hi! I'm not sure whether this is an appropriate question for this list, so please accept my apology in advance. The situation is the following: I work for a small internet company, which is going to do some software development as a government contract. We would like to release the software

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Mark Rauterkus
Hi *, which is going to do some software development as a government contract. I think ALL Gov software -- since it is PAID for by PUBLIC funds -- and used for a PUBLIC purpose, should be with PUBLIC licenses. The software contractors might need to do some hand-holding for the gov. agency

RE: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Feller, Joe
Here's your biggest problem, IMO: (From the Open Source Definition (http://opensource.org/docs/definition.html)) # 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups # The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. # 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor # The

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Kenneth Geisshirt
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Mark Rauterkus wrote: I think ALL Gov software -- since it is PAID for by PUBLIC funds -- and used for a PUBLIC purpose, should be with PUBLIC licenses. I agree - and some Danish government agencies do, too. That's why this project must be Open Source. PS: 2. If you

RE: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Kenneth Geisshirt
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Feller, Joe wrote: Here's your biggest problem, IMO: # 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups # The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. # 6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor I know. It's kind of interesting: you

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Patrik Wallstrom
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Kenneth Geisshirt wrote: I think ALL Gov software -- since it is PAID for by PUBLIC funds -- and used for a PUBLIC purpose, should be with PUBLIC licenses. I agree - and some Danish government agencies do, too. That's why this project must be Open Source. The swedish

Re: The Invisible Hand

2001-10-02 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: One must be careful about the meaning of distributed. AFAICT, if I (a Reuters employee) download APSLed code and make a Modification to it solely for my own use qua employee, not distributing it within Reuters at all, that is not Personal Use, it is still Deployed code

Re: forums

2001-10-02 Thread Randy Kramer
I have taken the liberty of making a TWiki page (actually pages) of the first license listed below. The intent is to provide a means of easily commenting and accumulating comments on the license, mostly on a per paragraph basis. Please try it out at:

Re: forums

2001-10-02 Thread Randy Kramer
PS: I should have mentioned that twiki.org (on SourceForge) is experiencing a lot of 500 Internal Server Errors the past few days. A support request has been issued to SourceForge -- I don't know if anybody knows what the problem is at this time. (It *might* be a problem only for users of

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Kenneth Geisshirt said: Sorry, typing error. The idea is to force non-educational to publish derived work (substitute last not with must, please). GPL can do that, I guess, but let us assume that I wish to be more liberal with educational institution (they will never compete on the

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread John Cowan
Patrik Wallstrom wrote: The swedish government is having a hard time to have limitations on software they produce by first copyright, and then further by applying an open source license on it. They're still investigating how an open source license can be combined with swedish laws.

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread Patrik Wallstrom
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, John Cowan wrote: The swedish government is having a hard time to have limitations on software they produce by first copyright, and then further by applying an open source license on it. They're still investigating how an open source license can be combined with

Re: The Invisible Hand

2001-10-02 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson wrote: In the real world, with judges, lawyers, and courts, Apple would have to 1) discover that you have used it personally as an employee, and 2) prove that you did this wearing your employee hat, as opposed to the personal use of your work computer. It is not clear to me

Re: The Invisible Hand

2001-10-02 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: As for your second point, it is also quite unclear from the license, at least to me (IANAL), just who it is that has the burden of persuasion on the subject of Deployment. Must Apple prove that my use was commercial, or is it up to me to prove that it was not? True.

Re: forums

2001-10-02 Thread Steve Mallett
I'm getting the same error with Konqueror. PS: I should have mentioned that twiki.org (on SourceForge) is experiencing a lot of 500 Internal Server Errors the past few days. A support request has been issued to SourceForge -- I don't know if anybody knows what the problem is at this time.

Re: Dual license?

2001-10-02 Thread John Cowan
Patrik Wallstrom wrote: Well, both have a copyright notice. True, but what the copyright notice takes away, the license gives back. In the U.S., there is a legal requirement that what the Federal government writes through its own employees (as opposed to what it pays to have written for it)

Motosoto PL remarks

2001-10-02 Thread Abe Kornelis
Hello all, I've been reading the Motosoto Open Source License. The following details struck me: 1) the derivation from JOSL is apparent, but somehow Motosoto managed to garble the paragraph numbers. Not a real disaster, just inconvenient. 2) In the paragraph numbered 5, Motosoto

binary restrictions?

2001-10-02 Thread Ned Lilly
Hello all, Apologies if this question has been covered before. I haven't been on this list for many months. Is anyone aware of a license which permits source access and modifications, patch contributions, but restricts the right to distribute compiled binaries to the sponsoring organization?

Re: binary restrictions?

2001-10-02 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday 02 October 2001 03:04 pm, Ned Lilly wrote: Is anyone aware of a license which permits source access and modifications, patch contributions, but restricts the right to distribute compiled binaries to the sponsoring organization? It wouldn't be Open Source. Section 2 of the OSD says

Re: binary restrictions?

2001-10-02 Thread Ned Lilly
On Tuesday 02 October 2001 03:04 pm, I wrote: Is anyone aware of a license which permits source access and modifications, patch contributions, but restricts the right to distribute compiled binaries to the sponsoring organization? It wouldn't be Open Source. Section 2 of the OSD says

Re: binary restrictions?

2001-10-02 Thread David Johnson
On Tuesday 02 October 2001 09:17 pm, Ned Lilly wrote: Yeah, it kind of *is* to guarantee purchase. That is, purchase from Foo, Inc. and no one else (if you want to purchase software in the first place). But nothing's stopping you from getting the source and compiling it yourself. Is that

Re: binary restrictions?

2001-10-02 Thread John Cowan
Karsten M. Self scripsit: It's not clear whether or not condition 1 implies that all modifications and derived works must be freely distributable, The MIT and BSD licenses make no such demand. GPL != Open Source. Anyone could redistribute the official source (but *not* modified