Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread John Cowan
Stamnes, Michelle wrote: Yes, you can use this software with FreeBSD. FreeBSD is subject to the BSD license, so you have no patent license for the original code. I'm sorry, but this seems to be a contradiction in terms. If there is an Intel patent on the art of which this software is an

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: Stamnes, Michelle wrote: Yes, you can use this software with FreeBSD. FreeBSD is subject to the BSD license, so you have no patent license for the original code. I'm sorry, but this seems to be a contradiction in terms. If there is an Intel patent on the art

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson wrote: s/BSD/GPL/, burn a CD, and send it to me. You are now using a GPL-licensed OS. But that's besides the point, really. The point is whether a license which is open source can become not so if a patent license is included with it. Framed that way, certainly. But can

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. Speaking only for myself. etc. etc. - Original Message - From: Stamnes, Michelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Response to comments on Intel's proposed

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Chloe Hoffman
This is not legal advice. No lawyer-client relationship is established. Speaking only for myself. etc etc. From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:00:56 -0500 (EST) John Cowan writes: Stamnes,

Re: Response to comments on Intel's proposed BSD+Patent license

2001-11-02 Thread Russell Nelson
Stamnes, Michelle writes: It is not logical to say that a license that grants MORE rights than the BSD is not open. Agreed. And yet, we don't have logic to work from, we have the Open Source Definition. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free

Re: Response to comments on Intel's proposed BSD+Patent license

2001-11-02 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Intel can't solve those problems but it should be commended for doing what it can (even if it isn't doing everything that we think possible). Yes. Although my one response to this was in the negative, I *do* think it's great that Intel is trying.

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Russell Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but has the scenario you described actually happened? (i.e. decades old code getting patented out from under someone) Wasn't the XOR cursor patented in that manner? -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software |

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Russell Nelson
Forrest J. Cavalier III writes: Any software license which restricts use to only publicly available GPL'ed OSs, (the way their patent license does), would obviously fail to meet the OSD. But it doesn't restrict use to only publicly available GPL'ed OSs. Certain software which falls under

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Russell Nelson
John Cowan writes: Russell Nelson wrote: s/BSD/GPL/, burn a CD, and send it to me. You are now using a GPL-licensed OS. But that's besides the point, really. The point is whether a license which is open source can become not so if a patent license is included with it. Framed

Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-11-02 Thread Forrest J. Cavalier III
Russ Nelson wrote: Forrest Tell me why you have to put the OSI's good name on this. The only way we can reject a license is to point to the OSD term which it violates. The license under discussion violates FSF Freedom 0, The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).