Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread lkcl .
[top-posting by way of preamble, apologies to others receiving this: thufir is someone whom i have interacted with in the past without achieving successful rational communication, on the gpl-violations mailing list] ah, thufir, after a long time, you initiate a discussion (directly to me) for

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
On 2015-03-06 07:14 PM, thufir wrote: i assume also, thufir, that you have read, understood, and agree that if 77 highly intelligent and prominent computer scientists - many of them having NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GPL - go to the extraordinary lengths of submitting an amicus brief against the

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
On 2015-03-04 07:16 AM, Reincke, Karsten wrote: Now, I am indeed sure that all important open source licenses including the LGPL-v2 allow reverse engineering only in case of distributing statically linked programs. Moreover: I am definitely sure, that none of these open source licenses

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
On 2015-03-06 05:30 PM, lkcl . wrote: i assume also, thufir, that you have read, understood, and agree that if 77 highly intelligent and prominent computer scientists - many of them having NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GPL - go to the extraordinary lengths of submitting an amicus brief against the

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
On 2015-03-06 05:30 PM, lkcl . wrote: So, that's the point. You might write what you like about the GPL and reverse engineering, but the foundation behind the GPL has opened the door on this. no it has not. from previous experience, you have a habit of being unable to discern between

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
I don't get it, the pdf is at odds with Dr. Stallman and the FSF, if not in specifics, at least in results and effects. The FSF, to the extent I was able to get an official position from it, is all in favor of taking GPL'ed API's, copying the declaring code, re-writing the implementation, and

Re: [License-discuss] Reverse Engineering and Open Source Licenses

2015-03-07 Thread thufir
On 2015-03-06 03:30 PM, thufir wrote: For example, my capable colleague Helene Tamer constantly insisted, that Deutsche Telekom AG could not give up her restrictions to use LGPL libraries until I had offered a reliable proof that the LGPL does not require reverse engineering. Admittedly, I