RE: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-10-31 Thread DIETRICH Yann FTRD/VAT/ISS

what is the policy of opensource about patents ? and such license in
opensource license ? what is the way ? 
I think it is important to integrate patents issues in such license. In
fact, the main risk for a patent holder is not about licensing business but
to not exhaust its patent rights in a non delimited field. I think that a
lot of patent holder will be agree to grant license for use in the 
opensource  field but not in the traditional business field, that is the
purpose of the limitation of Intel, i think. But, the problem with BSD, or
in my case with LGPL, is that such software can be integrated in a
traditionnal commercial software, and in this case, patent holder would like
to have money. And not if the software is integrated in an opensource
software .. ... finally, most of big companies will enter in opensource
process if they have solutions to manage such issues, I think and it can be
great for the developement of opensource software, no ??? 

regards, 

-
Yann Dietrich 
IP/Licensing Legal Counsel 
France Telecom RD / VAT 
member of the editorial board of http://www.juriscom.net 
homepage : http://www.chez.com/ydietrich
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Envoye : mercredi 31 octobre 2001 09:45
 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Objet : Re: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License
 
 
 on Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:32:40PM -0800, David Johnson 
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tuesday 30 October 2001 09:07 pm, Russell Nelson wrote:
  
 ??? GPL my copy of FreeBSD ???

 Precisely how do I go about this? Replace all copies 
 of the BSD license
 under /usr/src and recompile?
  
   Why bother?  Why not simply decide in your own head that, 
 if you ever
   give away a copy of your FreeBSD, you'll do so under the 
 GPL.  Poof,
   instant GPL'ed operating system.
  
  Okay, we can play fun little metaphysical games with the 
 BSD license, but it 
  ignores an important point: the BSD+Patent License 
 restricts what operating 
  systems you may use it on. I can't use it on Solaris, QNX 
 or IRIX. And I 
  can't use it on some imaginary MPL or QPL licensed OS. This 
 is a violation of 
  clause 8. Wasn't the OpenMotif license reject for the same reason?
 
 I'd disqualify it on 6, but not 8.  It's not specific to a 
 product, but
 it *is* specific to a field of endeavor:  OS applications.
 
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RE: Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License

2001-10-30 Thread DIETRICH Yann FTRD/VAT/ISS

Is there anyone have samples of license including patent issues ? I am
working on such problems for a consortium which will develop and distribute
free software. The limitation of the patent license for any use of the
software only on GPL licensed OS is very interesting, I think and can help
patent owners to use opensource software. In fact, because of the exhaustion
of IP rights, it is very dangerous to grant any right on a software because
it may risk to imply a license of the patents covering this software. So it
is very important to limit the scope of such license. what do you think
about such limitations ? 

with thanks and regards, 
-
Yann Dietrich 
IP/Licensing Legal Counsel 
France Telecom RD / VAT 
member of the editorial board of http://www.juriscom.net 
homepage : http://www.chez.com/ydietrich
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Envoye : mardi 30 octobre 2001 17:40
 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc : Kolb, Doug; Stamnes, Michelle; Simon, David
 Objet : Intel's proposed BSD + Patent License
 
 
 [  Please review this license.  If you do so promptly enough, we may
 be able to include it in tomorrow's board meeting.  -russ  ]
 
 
 After reviewing the following license with key open source 
 developers, Intel
 is submitting a new license called the BSD + Patent 
 License.  This is a
 combination of the BSD license (the post July 22, 1999 
 version without the
 advertising clause), with patent license language derived 
 from the Common
 Public License (CPL).
 
 Contributors to Linux or other GPL works may provide their 
 independently
 created code under the BSD license (see the FSF's web site at
 http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#ModifiedBSD). To address
 concerns that users of Intel's contributions under the BSD 
 license risked
 patent infringement claims from Intel, this license 
 submission expressly
 includes patent licensing language.
 
 Intel modified the BSD license in the following ways:
 
 1. Intel made OPTIONAL the inclusion of a copyright notice (i.e.,
 Redistributions of source code of the Software may retain the above
 copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following 
 disclaimer).
 
 2. Intel added certain definitions derived from the patent 
 license in the
 Common Public License, and added a license grant under 
 certain Intel patents
 to distribute Intel software contributions, alone or as 
 incorporated in any
 operating system licensed under the GPL (version 2.0 or later).  
 
 Please post the license to the license-discuss list under my name on
 behalf of Intel Corporation. Thank you for your consideration.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michelle V. Stamnes
 Intel Corporation
 
 
 
 
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