Re: an open source model code: osd 2002

2002-05-23 Thread phil hunt
On Thursday 23 May 2002 4:03 am, Rod Dixon wrote: Please take a moment or two to download a draft of the framework for our work on the OSD. We have only posted Article 1. We would like to hear your thoughts on the framework. It is our view that a model code is the most helpful framework for

Re: Lines of Code

2002-05-07 Thread phil hunt
On Monday 06 May 2002 8:12 am, Ken Brown wrote: Hello, Does anyone know approximately how many lines of code are in Unix and Linux? Have a look at http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/ -- Philip Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would guess that he really believes whatever is politically advantageous

Re: OSD modification regarding what license can require of user

2002-03-19 Thread phil hunt
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 3:48 pm, Ean Schuessler wrote: On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 18:01, phil hunt wrote: This ties it to a specific technology. For all anyone knows, no-one will be using http in 109 years time. Once HTTP goes away (which will probably be 109 years) OK, I meant 10 years

Re: OSD modification regarding what license can require of user

2002-03-18 Thread phil hunt
On Monday 18 March 2002 5:14 pm, Ean Schuessler wrote: What if you simply added a requirement that: http://[service host name]:80/gnu-sources Must always either supply the sources or a redirect to the sources? This ties it to a specific technology. For all anyone knows, no-one will be

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-13 Thread phil hunt
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 8:14 pm, Andy Tai wrote: The only point in this license seems to be the GPL incompatibility. And you then blame the GPL? If the GPL is guilty of anything, then you are guilty of the same. So this license creates walls in open source code and divides the

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-13 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 1:55 pm, Colin Percival wrote: At 14:04 13/03/2002 +, phil hunt wrote: I agree. The entire intent behind this license is to be deliberately incompatible with the most commonly used open source license. No, it isn't. The intent is to ensure that a free

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-13 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 7:55 pm, Colin Percival wrote: To save time, can we just agree that I have absolutely horrible motives, that I'm a Microsoft plant, and that I'm reporting to the Illuminati, and get back to discussing the license? You are not interested in defending your motives;

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-12 Thread phil hunt
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 4:07 am, Andy Tai wrote: While this license probably is open source, My reading of the license and the OSD suggests to me that it isn't. OSD, para 1: The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software [...] License, 3 (c): The

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-12 Thread phil hunt
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 1:16 am, Colin Percival wrote: At 11 Mar 2002 20:57:24 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] resent my email to this mailing list and added the line: [ Please discuss this license. Is he reinventing the LGPL? ] No, I'm not. To start with, the LGPL only applies to

Re: Discuss: BSD Protection License

2002-03-12 Thread phil hunt
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 3:53 pm, Colin Percival wrote: At 15:37 12/03/2002 +, phil hunt wrote: OSD, para 1: The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software [...] License, 3 (c): The license under which the derivative work is distributed must

Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-07 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 9:59 pm, dave sag wrote: The intent of clause 4 is that people are encouraged to think about and to describe their work as being pronoic, ie as being part of a greater conspiracy to make life better. we encourage developers do this before, or if ever, seeking

Re: open source licenses and algorithms

2002-01-21 Thread phil hunt
On Monday 21 January 2002 12:07 pm, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: I know this has been up for discussion before, but I didn't really follow the thread, and I want to know some extra things. Is there any current open source licenses that can enforce the software to follow an exact algorithm (as

Re: Is the Guile license OSI approved?

2001-11-30 Thread phil hunt
On Friday 30 November 2001 4:23 am, J C Lawrence wrote: On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:10:42 -0800 (PST) Andy Tai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the history of Free Software and Open Source (that Open Source is a marketing name (Bruce Perens) or marketing program (Eric Raymond) for Free

Re: MrNet has a non compliant opensource license

2001-10-28 Thread phil hunt
On Sunday 28 October 2001 10:43 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: What can be done more to this effect? The Open Source trademark was not certified. Have you contacted the company? If this has not already been done, I'd suggest a *polite* note sent to them pointing out their error and suggesting

Re: YAPL is bad (was: Re: Backlog assistance?)

2001-09-24 Thread phil hunt
On Saturday 22 September 2001 11:39 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote: Yet Another Public License (YAPL) is a bad trend. Ceterus paribus, more licenses are bad. As the number of licenses increases, the disruption caused by an additional license increases. This is because interaction effects of

Re: GPLv2 'web-app loophole'

2001-08-08 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 08 August 2001 2:15 am, David Johnson wrote: My point is not whether a thing can be done, but whether it should be done at all. I don't believe that Open Source licenses should regulate in any way the actual execution of the software. Are you saying that the Open Source

command-line calls of GPL'd executables

2001-07-14 Thread phil hunt
Consider this situation: Alice writes a program, aprog, which she licenses under the GPL. Bob writes another program, which invokes the aprog executable, using the POSIX system() call. Does Bob's program have to be released under a GPL-compatible license? (Assume for the sake of argument

Re: Real-World Copyright Assignment

2001-06-21 Thread phil hunt
On Thursday 21 June 2001 12:58 am, Henningsen wrote: Currently that is the rule no doubt, but I think we could get open source code written faster and probably better if people could actually expect getting paid for their work. In exchange for giving up his/her copyrights, a contributor to my

Re: Common Public License

2001-05-28 Thread phil hunt
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 8:40 pm, Ravicher, Daniel B. wrote: Michael, The clause only says which law applies, it doesn't limit where cases can be held. It is not uncommon for courts in , say California, to decide a case under New York law. Lastly, the enforceability of such governing law

Suggestion for OSI website (was: Newly approved licenses)

2001-05-19 Thread phil hunt
. Similarly the LGPL and MPL are both weak copyleft licenses, with [blah blah blah]... you get the idea. -- * Phil Hunt *

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-23 Thread phil hunt
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Angelo Schneider wrote: phil hunt wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Angelo Schneider wrote: Hi! In Europe APIs are not copyright able. No idea about the US. However if you publich them in a book, the book of course is copyrighted. However you can

Re: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-23 Thread phil hunt
). -- * Phil Hunt * An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead. -- Windows2007 error message

Re: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-21 Thread phil hunt
e for data formats. (In Europe dataformats e.g. a flat file format for a word processor are not copyright able) This will change under the new EU copyright law, where it will be illegal to decrypt any encrypted file format (e.g. DVD) without the copyright holder's permission. -- *

Re: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-19 Thread phil hunt
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, phil hunt wrote: I'm not familiar with Perl, so I'll attempt to translate this into C for clarification. OK. I create a library in C. The interface is defined in mylibrary.h. For someone to use my library, they must

Re: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-18 Thread phil hunt
cases I could see (if I have understood you correctly), the restriction could be a way of preventing a fork of the code. IMO, the ability to fork is a necessary part of an open source license. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly

Re: APSL 1.2

2001-04-05 Thread phil hunt
ould Apple mind them not disclosing it? -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message

Re: APSL 1.2

2001-04-05 Thread phil hunt
be an exception, but it does meet the definition in letter and spirit. According to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html the new ("Clarified") version of the Artistic License is Free Software. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your comput

Re: APSL 1.2

2001-04-05 Thread phil hunt
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Nick Moffitt wrote: begin phil hunt quotation: Two question that spring to mind: If someone is using internally a modification of APSL software, why would they want to not disclose it? Assuming that this question was not *purely* rhetorical: Not at all

Re: APSL 1.2

2001-04-05 Thread phil hunt
being used for commercial or non commercial purposes. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message

Re: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
ndle it up with a trivial "hello world" program. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message

Re: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
n* copying? If so, does this mean that if someone illegally encapsulates my GPL'd code then they can still legally run my program? -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation

Re: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Eric Jacobs wrote: Plainly, this is not what #7 means. OK, what does #7 mean? -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to

Re: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
? -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message

RE: Subscription/Service Fees - OSD Intent

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
difficult for me to give sound advice to my clients, and makes licensing rights in or out under the GNU GPL very risky. What particular problems do you have with the GPL? IMO it is quite clearly written, as licenses go. I also think the Mozilla license is quite clear. -- * Phil Hunt

Re: Subscription/Service Fees

2001-03-29 Thread phil hunt
e.g. GPL'd) after a time delay, would be one I would approve of -- I'd be happy to buy software under that license. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a pa

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-22 Thread phil hunt
agraphs? That sounds a good idea. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message

Re: licenses for RPGs

2001-03-20 Thread phil hunt
am not desiring a copyleft license for this project. Unfortunately, the Open Gaming License will only approve copylefted licenses and games. In other words, I can release a public domain game and they would refuse to call it free and open. That seems bizarre to me. -- * Phil Hunt

Re: Apache vs. BSD licenses

2001-03-20 Thread phil hunt
ested this to RMS; he replied that legal difficulties prevented this. -- * Phil Hunt * "An unforseen issue has arisen with your computer. Don't worry your silly little head about what has gone wrong; here's a pretty animation of a paperclip to look at instead." -- Windows2007 error message