Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-08 Thread Rick Moen
begin Brian Behlendorf quotation: You have to follow the conditions the GPL sets out in order to redistribute modified source or binaries. Neither the GPL nor DJB's conditions listed in his exceptions violate the letter of the OSD. DJB's might violate the spirit of the OSD, but again,

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread John Cowan
Brian Behlendorf wrote: I think this is a flaw in the OSD - what it means is that those authors who place their software under [a patches-only] license effective make forking impossible. Why? Because a project aimed at building a derivative work may not have a shared code tree, making

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: 4. The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of patch files with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, John Cowan wrote: I am not an RCS/CVS expert, but it seems to me that it wouldn't be too hard to add a mode to download the original source plus forward deltas, SCCS-style. This mode would meet the restrictions of the license: the original source is present, and the

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, John Cowan wrote: So if you devise qmail patches, you can pass them to your friends. I wasn't contesting that in any way. I was contesting Brian's claim that passing around patches was not enough in the *spirit* of open source. I think that patches and binaries are

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: If you can point me at a vibrant open source community laboring under such conditions, I'll rest my case; however, I just don't see how it's possible. Why does it have to be 'vibrant'? All it needs are a few members in the community. Given the

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Matthew C. Weigel
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Nope, read more closely at http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html: Exception: You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if [...list of conditions...] The OSD doesn't state that there could be no conditions. That's semantic

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Nope, read more closely at http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html: Exception: You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if [...list of conditions...] The OSD doesn't state

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread John Cowan
Brian Behlendorf wrote: DJB allows for binaries of modified source to be created, if they meet a set of conditions. Only if they exhibit *exactly* the same behavior as the original. You can distribute a version localized for another OS or variant, but you can't distribute a functionally

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday June 07 2001 06:13 pm, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: I submit that checks on power is not the point of open source (or free software), but rather the freedom from legal culpability in sharing, and the removal of the most onerous restrictions that prevent forking. Very well said!

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread John Cowan
Brian Behlendorf scripsit: I can modify it to fix a bug which crops up under certain conditions and causes a core dump, which doesn't change its behavior, it just makes it more robust. I can then build that, and create a var-qmail package, and redistribute that, under DJB's terms. Nope,

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On 7 Jun 2001, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: Thus, I submit that either qmail's license be approved as an OSD-conformant license, or OSI consider whether clause #4 needs, er, clarification. It's hard to argue that neither is the case. So you are saying that the question here is what

Re: license submission: qmail

2001-06-07 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Brian Behlendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7 Jun 2001, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: Thus, I submit that either qmail's license be approved as an OSD-conformant license, or OSI consider whether clause #4 needs, er, clarification. It's hard to argue that neither is the case. So you