Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread VanL
[Responding on license-discuss] I look forward to you endorsing the CAL, the ISC license, and MPL2 as the only licenses necessary for anyone to use. More seriously, is this the "only three licenses are necessary" argument, or is there a different set? If so, why? Thanks, Van On Wed, Sep 11, 201

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Gil Yehuda
Bruce concludes with... > that achieves *most purposes of Open Source/Free Software.* Reading this phrase a few times, something sticks out. We consistently see three camps who leverage licenses for differing reasons. I present this with no intent to judge, but only to describe as accurately as I

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 9/12/2019 10:23 AM, Gil Yehuda wrote: > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 8:29 PM Bruce Perens via License-review > > wrote: > > Friday next week at Open Core Summit, I will announce COHERENT > OPEN SOURCE. Let's scrap the Tower of Babel of 100+ Open S

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Gil Yehuda dixit: > - *Free*: an ethical movement that sees proprietary software as a social > wrong/evil. Licenses are designed to reduce this evil. > - *Open*: a crowdsourcing movement that enables networked value > production. Licenses allow participants to manage their intentional >

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:48 AM Gil Yehuda wrote: > Bruce concludes with... > > that achieves *most purposes of Open Source/Free Software.* > > Reading this phrase a few times, something sticks out. We consistently > see three camps who leverage licenses for differing reasons. I present this > w

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Gil Yehuda
Thorsten, Forgive me, I meant not to describe the individual motivators of everyone in software as being only one of three. Rather to summarize the FSF's movement philosophy, as they describe it. As well as capture the essential value proposition that cause the open source movement to branch from i

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] The Right of Display

2019-09-12 Thread Russell McOrmond
Responding to Lawrence as I mostly agree with what he is saying, and want to add to it. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:03 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote: > What I mean is that we are indeed speaking about two different works. As I > said before, one is the projector and the other is the movie. They are > re

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 08:32 Pamela Chestek wrote: > To what end? Do you expect everyone to relicense existing software? > New software is still being produced :-) Gil brings up social or ethical motivations for licensing. I can probably use these on a slide. You can also look at it from a _bus

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] The Right of Display

2019-09-12 Thread John Cowan
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:15 PM Russell McOrmond wrote: > a) The question of when software is used as a viewer of art created by a > human. In this case there is two "works", the work of art and the software > which is projecting it. Running the software is not a public performance > of the s

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Bruce Perens via License-discuss dixit: >if you are making something that you want everyone to use, you would use a >gift style license. The BSD or Apache, for example. These are useful for a >reference implementation of a standard, or a library function which you >want everyone to copy and do you

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Gil Yehuda dixit: >in software as being only one of three. Rather to summarize the FSF's >movement philosophy, as they describe it. As well as capture the essential >value proposition that cause the open source movement to branch from it. I don’t think that “the open source movement” somehow “bra

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday

2019-09-12 Thread Gil Yehuda
Thorsten, Not crowdfunding, crowdsourcing. Meaning the ability to create value by leveraging a networked production model. c.f. Yochai Benkler's "Wealth of Networks" that describes how economic value is created via network effect, and how both the open source ecosystem and other social-value syste

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting underway next Friday [Maxis Confidential]

2019-09-12 Thread Ismawy Bin Ismail
[Maxis Confidential] unsubsribe From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@lists.opensource.org] On Behalf Of Gil Yehuda Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:53 PM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Coherent Open Source - Getting