Re: Open Source Definition : can it be made explicit about non-copyright issues?

2004-01-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Russell McOrmond wrote: [...] deal with some of the worst cases we are currently dealing with. Care to provide some SPECIFIC example(s) involving IBM? You've mentioned before IETF and OASIS. Well, IETF with its RAND patent licensing policy aside for a moment (http://tinyurl.com/yshn3 and see

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Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Russell McOrmond
(Changing subject as we are no longer talking about licensing issues) On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Russell McOrmond wrote: [...] deal with some of the worst cases we are currently dealing with. Care to provide some SPECIFIC example(s) involving IBM? I suspect this

Re: bare license

2004-01-16 Thread daniel wallace
If any of the rules and formalities of contracts you mention are required to be enforced under state law, that involves an element of state action. The GPL purports to overcome privity questions about third party distribution ad infinitum. This appears to create a new right against the world that

Re: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Russell McOrmond wrote: [...] IBM has been lobbying for unlimited patentability, pushing the rhetoric of technology neutrality that is the most common political phrase used against Open Source software. The problem is, software is not a 'technology' any more than laws, acts of parliament

Re: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Russell McOrmond wrote: [...] IBM has been lobbying for unlimited patentability, pushing the rhetoric of technology neutrality that is the most common political phrase used against Open Source software. The problem is, software is not

Re: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread jcowan
Russell McOrmond scripsit: My question still remains: Why is IBM in a very public way advertising the benefits of Open Source and Linux, while at the same time lobbying against Open Source in less visible (and less understood) public policy circles? That's not a question, it's an

Re: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Robin 'Roblimo' Miller
Ken Brown wrote: I'd like to know this too. This intrigues me. Is IBM's proposition that they can make money with both IP and open source incorrect? I'm meeting some IBM people at LinuxWorld next week. I'll ask them. :) - Robin -- license-discuss archive is at

RE: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Russell McOrmond
(Will try to make this quick -- I don't want to dominate this thread, and won't post any more today in the hopes that others have interest as well) On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ken Brown wrote: I'd like to know this too. This intrigues me. Is IBM's proposition that they can make money with both IP

RE: Promotion of software patents == opposition to Open Source.

2004-01-16 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Ken Brown wrote: I'd like to know this too. This intrigues me. Is IBM's proposition that they can make money with both IP and open source incorrect? Of course they can. In my opinion, I do not believe that they IBM's model has a long-term future. IP inextricably

Re: bare license

2004-01-16 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Yes, the issues are exactly as you quite effectively summarize. In my post, I was not expressing my opinion on the merits of the contract/license debate; rather, I was noting the primary issues usually involved in that debate. Rod - Original Message - From: daniel wallace [EMAIL