Re: [Lift] Re: Jetty or Tomcat, Which web container is recommended to use to deploy the Lift app ?

[Jeremy Day]

All,

I'm admittedly quite a n00b here and I have  very little Maven experience.
Can someone provide a POM for the Nginx + Jetty configuration?  I think that
I would find it quite helpful.  Thanks.

Jeremy

2009/11/20 Timothy Perrett 

> Your missing a trick here - there is a fork of nginx done by Ezra that
> includes a fair load balencer.
>
> Google for it and you'll find the link as I don't have it handy - this
> version would remove the need for your intermediate proxy.
>
> Cheers, Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 Nov 2009, at 06:59, monty chen  wrote:
>
> > Hi,David Pollk!
> >
> > Nginx only comes with a round-robin balancer and a hash-based
> > balancer, so if a request takes a while to load, Nginx will start
> > routing requests to backends that are already processing requests --
> > as
> > a result, some backends will be queueing up requests while some
> > backends will remain idle. You will get an uneven load distribution,
> > and the unevenness will increase with the amount of load subject to
> > the load-balancer.
> >
> > Haproxy as a LB can:
> > 1: Plenty of load-balancing algorithms, including a "least
> > connections" strategy that picks the backend with the fewest pending
> > connections. Which happens to be just what we want.
> >
> > 2:  Backends can be sanity- and health-checked by URL to avoid routing
> > requests to brain-damaged backends. (It can even stagger these checks
> > to avoid spikes.)
> >
> > 3: Requests can be routed based on all sorts of things: cookies, URL
> > substrings, client IP, etc.
> >
> > So, I use nginx + haproxy + tomcat(jetty).
> >
> >
> > On 11月20日, 上午11时27分, David Pollak
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> I recommend Nginx + Jetty.
> >>
> >> Apache is the worst front end for this situation... it can only
> >> support a
> >> few hundred simultaneous connections before it falls over.  Ngnix
> >> on the
> >> other hand can proxy tens of thousands.
> >>
> >> Jetty's continuations make it a much better choice than Tomcat.
> >> You can
> >> have thousands of open Comet request to a Jetty instance where
> >> Tomcat is
> >> capped at a couple of hundred.
> >>
> >> Once the Servlet 3.0 spec in implemented in Glassfish, etc., Lift
> >> will
> >> support 3.0 continuations and any 3.0 container will have the same
> >> scaling
> >> characteristics that Jetty currently does.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Neil.Lv  wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>
> >>> I have a silly question about the deploy.
> >>
> >>> Which web container is recommended to use to deploy the Lift app ?
> >>> Jetty or Tomcat ?
> >>
> >>> I want to use the Comet to push the data in the app.
> >>
> >>> * Apache + Tomcat ?
> >>> * Apache + what  ?
> >>> * Nginx + what ?
> >>
> >>> Thanks for any suggestion !
> >>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Neil
> >>
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[Lift] Re: A Critique On Lift

[Jeremy Day]

All,

the _ "name" is also used frequently in C++ for template-based lambdas.  At
least it is in many of the Boost libraries.

Jeremy

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Viktor Klang wrote:

> My personal interpretation is "sh!t I don't know here or don't care what it
> is"
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Joni Freeman wrote:
>
>>
>> I love it too. While it is used in many different places it always
>> means "stuff that I do not care to name".
>>
>> BTW. "high priest of the lambda calculus" loves it too :) It has its
>> roots in Haskell...
>>
>>
>> http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/C9-Lectures-Dr-Erik-Meijer-Functional-Programming-Fundamentals-Chapter-4-of-13/
>>
>> Cheers Joni
>>
>> On 23 loka, 09:48, Jonas Bonér  wrote:
>> > I love the _ operator.
>> >
>> > 2009/10/22 Timothy Perrett :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I think this is a bit of a running joke in the scala comunity right
>> > > now - your right, underscore really does have a number of meanings; I
>> > > think this will be changed in some future Scala release.
>> >
>> > > Your also forgetting:
>> >
>> > > import some.package._
>> >
>> > > Cheers, Tim
>> >
>> > > On 22 Oct 2009, at 12:57, tiro wrote:
>> >
>> > >> underscore. At least four different uses:
>> > >> - "it" for defining anonymous functions like above
>> > >> - default value
>> > >> - matching placeholder whose value is ignored
>> > >> - use for constructing setter method names boolean functions
>> (empty_?)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jonas Bonér
>> >
>> > twitter: @jboner
>> > blog:http://jonasboner.com
>> > work:  http://scalablesolutions.se
>> > code:  http://github.com/jboner
>> > code:  http://akkasource.org
>> > also:http://letitcrash.com
>>
>>
>
>
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[Lift] Re: Wiki Articles

[Jeremy Day]

All,

I'd like to see:

1. Logging in using various methods, i.e. basic authentication, OpenID, etc.
2. Displaying or hiding information based on user credentials.
3. Setting up simple AJAX calls, such as getting a list of search results
based on and entered keyword.

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a complete newbie, which I
happen to be.

Jeremy

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Timothy Perrett
wrote:

>
> Alex,
>
> Sounds like a good plan - so, lets get the ball rolling... what topics
> are lacking and what need completly rewriting?
>
> Part of me is happy to disregard the entire wiki content and just draw
> up a list of what needs documenting, then as a community we can
> hopefully move forward and get some of this written down.
>
> So, im all ears - what do you guys want to see?
>
> Cheers, Tim
>
> On Jul 14, 6:12 pm, Alex Cruise  wrote:
> > The approach I'd humbly suggest for improving the wiki is to focus on
> > example coverage, which in some ways is to documentation what code
> > coverage is to code.  Specifically, for every substantial feature of
> > lift, is it demonstrated in some clear way in an example that's as
> > simple and comprehensible as possible?
> >
> > For most of these (feature, example) tuples there will be some example
> > code but no corresponding wiki page.  Any sufficiently smart person who
> > reads the example code can write up a quick and dirty wiki page that
> > outlines the structure of the sample, then annotate it with questions
> > for committers about the motivation or other background for the specific
> > details of the example.  Then, when each one of these example pages is
> > alpha quality, post the URL to the list and the rest of us can
> > criticize/edit it. :)
> >
> > I find that for forensic documentation projects like this one, it's
> > easiest to hit the ground running when you start by documenting
> > extremely concrete use cases, then work your way "up" to architecture by
> > observing patterns in the examples.
> >
> > -0xe1a
> >
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[Lift] Re: Wiki Articles

[Jeremy Day]

All,

How about putting together a little cookbook application in Lift with
"recipes" describing how the various and sundry parts were put together?
For instance, the application could have the following pieces:

1. Log in piece so that users can log in and create new recipes (and maybe
save their favorites).
2. Search functionality so that users can find recipes.
3. Some sort of simple browsing structure for users who just want to peruse
what has been submitted.

Jeremy

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Timothy Perrett wrote:

>
> Right now, I see a need for starter documentation and some more
> advanced how-to's. Unfortunately its a mammoth task and we (the commit
> team) need as much community help as possible.
>
> I agree with the ideas about a cookbook - let me propose this:
>
> If you guys are prepared to start making sample applications, and
> documenting them as you go writing tutorials on the wiki, then we'll
> do our absolute best to answer your questions if and may you have them
> when your writing your sample applications.
>
> We know there is a big need for documentation - I've personally been
> trying to cover this on my blog with several articles:
>
> http://blog.getintheloop.eu/tags/lift
>
> What things would you guys say is specifically missing? What would you
> like to see articles on?
>
> Cheers, Tim
>
> On Jul 14, 7:19 am, Jeppe Nejsum Madsen  wrote:
> > Naftoli Gugenhem  writes:
> > > Not speaking for anyone else, but currently what I would like most is
> information on lift's internals.
> >
> > Me too :-) Don't know how stable this information will be though.
> >
> > But in the larger scheme where, I believe, the goal is to attract people
> > to using Lift, I think good howtos and cookbooks could help people
> > getting started.
> >
> > /Jeppe
> >
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[Lift] Re: scala-tools.org down

[Jeremy Day]

David,

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:28 AM, David Pollak  wrote:

> The good news is that I've got pingdom monitoring the machine.  The bad
> news is that I was out of cell phone range so I didn't get the alerts.
>

What?  You're not allowed to relax!

Jeremy

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[Lift] Re: lift presentation

[Jeremy Day]

Guys,

I just want to say that I haven't started using Lift yet but I already love
it.  This community is very supportive and responsive.  Keep up the awesome
work!

Jeremy

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:

>
> heheh, no problem. I did the one on Scala back in Feb. :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Francois Armand wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I did a presentation some weeks ago, the slides are under a creative
> common
> >> licence, so use them if you want !
> >>
> >>
> http://fanf42.blogspot.com/2009/06/tour-of-scala-ossgtp-paris-oss-user.html
> >
> >
> > OK, just ignore this message, it was a *Scala* presentation, not a
> > *Lift* one - sorry, I read your post too quickly - and no, the fact
> > that we were in Lift ml didn't make me find that strange :)
> >
> >
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> > http://fanf42.blogspot.com/
> >
> > >
> >
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[Lift] Re: is there a name for this pattern?

[Jeremy Day]

Eric,

I believe that something like that, in C++ at least, is referred to as the
"curiously recurring template pattern."

Jeremy

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Eric Bowman  wrote:

>
> The basic trick where a superclass has its subclass as a type parameter,
> e.g.
>
> class User extends MegaProtoUser[User]
>
> I've run into this before, I remember struggling to "get it", then
> getting it, but I can't recall the epiphany.  But obviously this is a
> relatively common technique, so something to google is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
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[Lift] Re: Neo4J

[Jeremy Day]

Viktor,

Interesting.  I'm starting the very initial development on a little
commercial product and I'm thinking about using Neo4J as the back end.  I'll
need to eyeball their license again to make sure that it's compatible with
what I want to do.

Jeremy

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Viktor Klang wrote:

>
> I think I was the first external committer to Neo4j.It is a really
> interesting product, and I had quite a few nice use-cases for it, but
> unfortunately their adoption of AfferoGPLv3 prohibited me from using it.
>
> Viktor,
> Lift
> Scala
>
> 18 jun 2009 kl. 17.39 Jeremy Day  skrev:
>
> > Good morning,
> >
> > Has anyone used a graph database, such as Neo4J, as their back end
> > in a Lift project?
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > >
>
> >
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[Lift] Neo4J

[Jeremy Day]

Good morning,

Has anyone used a graph database, such as Neo4J, as their back end in a Lift
project?

Jeremy

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[Lift] Re: scalajpa - while accessing two distincts databases, the second access is made with a connection to the first database

[Jeremy Day]

Greg,

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Meredith Gregory
wrote:

> It takes some serious training to think compositionally.


No doubt it is extremely tough to think compositionally, and it's all too
easy to fall back on non-compositional ways of thinking.  In a similar vein
it's all too easy to fall into procedural patterns when learning or working
with functional programming in a multi-paradigm language.  But what are good
ways for programmers to learn to think compositionally and, more
importantly, practice?  Do you know of any books or online references that
might help make the transition for anyone who is interested?

Jeremy

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[Lift] Re: Cheap Hosting

[Jeremy Day]

Mark,

It is my understanding (and this could be incorrect, of course) that you can
do whatever you want on a Slicehost Slice.  You can install whatever Java
applications you like.  You have total control.

Jeremy

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Mark Lynn  wrote:

>
> Thanks. That is certainly very reasonable and VPS hosting is definitely a
> possibility. I guess what I am asking is whether there is shared hosting in
> the Java realm where you can also install Scala and LIft? I'm assuming the
> answer is not yet, but I thought I would ask.
>
> Mark Lynn
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:56 PM, David Pollak wrote:
>
> Mark,
> You should be able to host a moderately trafficked site (400 unique
> visitors an hour) with a $20 slicehost.com account.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Mark Lynn  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I have a web app that I am doing free for a charitable organization
>> that is sensitive to hosting costs. I would like to make it my first
>> Lift app since it is pretty straight-forward - simple database and
>> will probably just use Mapper. Most of my previous experience is with
>> Rails projects or projects that were hosted internally so I don't have
>> much experience with java hosting services. Does anyone have a
>> recommendation for an inexpensive hosting option where I can use scala/
>> lift? With Rails or PHP I can find stuff for as little as $5/mth.
>>
>> Mark Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

[Jeremy Day]

I haven't played much with WolframAlpha, but I get the impression that it
does better with quantitative results.  For instance, if you were inclined
to compare the number of people in Chicago to the number of people in Alaska
you might create a query like this:

http://www33.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+chicago+%2F+population+of+alaska

Jeremy

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Timothy Perrett wrote:

>
> Hey Greg,
>
> Im not sure that drawing comparisons to google is right? IMO, they
> dont do the same job...? I see why one would see similarities, but
> isnt google's purpose to find the sources of information, where as
> wolfram's aim is to provide an objective set of answers based on
> "human" input;
>
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/about.html
>
> Cheers, Tim
>
> On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Meredith Gregory  wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > Could you enlighten me on the coolness of Wolfram Alpha? My initial
> forays
> > and comparison to Google were depressingly unfavorable, but excellent if
> > you're looking for some humor. See the summary below.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > --greg
> >
> > My standard test of a search engine: polyadic pi-calculus
> > Google result: first hit is the Edinburgh tutorial prepared by Milner,
> still
> > the best reference
> > Wolfram Alpha: "*Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
> > Related inputs to try: pi.*"
> >
> > This test, by the way, should be right in W|A's sweet spot.
> >
> > My next test: phred weasley
> > Google result: Did you mean: *fred*
> > weasley<
> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en..
> .>and
> > then several links to Harry Potter
> > W|A result: "*Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
> Related
> > inputs to try: Wesley.*"
> >
> > My next test: fred weasley
> > Google result: the top Harry Potter sites
> > W|A result:
> >
> > Interpreting "weasley" as "wesley"
> > --
> > --
> > Assuming Fred (female) | Use Fred
> >
> (male) tatesMaleName-')>instead
> > --
> > --
> > --
> > Input interpretation:[image: Fred (female given name) | Wesley (male
> given
> > name)]
> > --
> > --
> > Latest information for US births:[image: | Fred | Wesley\nrank | 985th
> > (1929) | 194th (2008)\nfraction | 1 in 21277 people (0.0047%) (1929) | 1
> in
> > 1058 people (0.094%) (2008)\nnumber | 54 people per year (1929) | 2033
> > people per year (2008)]
> > --
> > --
> > History for US births:Log
> >
> scale 11d660aid2aa&s=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)>
> >
> More 06e54df6b4e&s=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)>
> > Fraction:[image: Fraction]
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Timothy Perrett
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hey Ty,
> >
> > > Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
> > > to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
> > > integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
> > > the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.
> >
> > > The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
> > > whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
> > > need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
> > > decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
> > > specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...
> >
> > > I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
> > > welcome.
> >
> > > Cheers, Tim
> >
> > > On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir  wrote:
> > > > Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.
> >
> > > > How do you see this integration planning out?
> >
> > > > On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett 
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hey chaps,
> >
> > > > > Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
> > > > > that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest
> thing
> > > > > since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/
> >
> > > > > New branch here:
> > >http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha
> >
> > > > > Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with
> me?
> >
> > > > > Cheers, Tim
> >
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> >
> > http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com
> >
>

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[Lift] Re: How important is AJAX to you?

[Jeremy Day]

All,

I have a slightly related question.  I'm new to the list and a complete
newbie to Lift (having only discovered it a couple of days ago), so forgive
me for the potentially silly question.  Can you use Lift with Flex for the
front end, rather than HTML/CSS/javascript?

Jeremy

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Joe Wass  wrote:

>
> This may be heresy on this list, but I'll ask it anyway. A general
> point for discussion which I'm raising because the Lift Book mentions
> AJAX early on in the PocketChange app.
>
> How important is AJAX and all the associated Web 2.0 stuff to you and
> to your projects? I'm quite happy without Javascript and AJAX. More
> often than not they're doing the kind of thing you could just as
> easily do with traditional technologies. Save for one web-app (Google
> Mail), I don't think a single site I use has been improved for it.
> Particular examples are Slashdot and Facebook. Give me good old HTML
> any day.
>
> I've got a few projects in the pipeline and I intend to use Lift for
> all of them, it looks excellent and from the source I've read very
> nicely engineered. But I will expressly avoid using anything other
> than old-fashioned HTML as much as I can, largely because I'm
> targetting browsers of unknown vintage in less economically developed
> countries and I'd like to be able to use my own site without cookies
> or javascript if I want to.
>
> Have I missed the point of Lift entirely? Am I in a small minority? Am
> I crazy?
>
> Joe
>
> >
>

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