[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
well, fwiw :P i eventually chose ideavim with intellij. best of both worlds. thanks all for the input! On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:20 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs, so... I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started. I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the best just start coding. On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at Eclipse, too. David Pollak wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.com wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. They work fine. While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is better than a good text editor. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Git some:http://github.com/dpp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
I think a lot of people coming to scala from ruby are more familiar with the terminal and textmate style combination... using large IDE's with boat loads of features is more for people coming from a traditional java background. Thats not to say they don't have merit, of course they do, but I think they wouldn't add a lot of value to people who arnt used to using an IDE full stop and possibly dont see why they should use one. Having gone Java - Ruby - Scala, I started off being an eclipse guy but after coding in ruby for a few years just didnt want to step back into eclipse or netbeans: neither felt right Cheers, Tim On Apr 9, 8:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at Eclipse, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
I think this thread points out something important about Lift... what matters most is what works for you. There are plenty of people on this list that use one editor or another... use mapper or JPA... use lots of comet/ajax or use very little. The only thing that's right is what works for you... and if you do something different than everyone, please share... I expect we'll learn something. Thanks, David On Apr 9, 2009 1:20 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs, so... I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started. I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the best just start coding. On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.c... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on mo... Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Git some:http://github.com/dpp--~--~-~--~~... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
Does anyone know how to get a console in netbeans that I can run mvn scala:cc? On Apr 10, 8:12 am, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: I think this thread points out something important about Lift... what matters most is what works for you. There are plenty of people on this list that use one editor or another... use mapper or JPA... use lots of comet/ajax or use very little. The only thing that's right is what works for you... and if you do something different than everyone, please share... I expect we'll learn something. Thanks, David On Apr 9, 2009 1:20 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs, so... I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started. I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the best just start coding. On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.c... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on mo... Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Git some:http://github.com/dpp--~--~-~--~~... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
You're proposing to scrap working code? Isn't that trying to fix something that isn't broken? Warren On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
No, he is talking about *developers* switching from rails to lift, not projects. /grydholt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
Sorry, but I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Chas. Warren Henning wrote: You're proposing to scrap working code? Isn't that trying to fix something that isn't broken? Warren On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. They work fine. While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is better than a good text editor. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Git some: http://github.com/dpp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
On the contrary... Im coding in TextMate right now: it works perfect! I run scala:cc in a terminal window and just code away in TextMate. Job done. Tim On 09/04/2009 10:38, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com wrote: in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
I don't think it's necessary to make a final decision about your IDE at any time. AFAIK, all major IDEs work quite well with Maven's pom files, so it's very easy to switch IDEs at any time. I for instance used NetBeans until last month, when JetBrains updated their Scala plugin - then I switched to IntelliJ. The transition was very smooth. So start with any one of the IDEs, and once you've figured out what do don't like about that very IDE, you can look around whether another IDE might do it better. And anyways, if there really was a best IDE, it would probably be the only IDE (the causality goes both ways). It's always a matter of needs, prior experience, taste ... Best, Clemens On 9-Apr-09, at 5:38 AM, Alexander Kellett wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Clemens Oertel clemens.oer...@gmail.comwrote: I don't think it's necessary to make a final decision about your IDE at any time. AFAIK, all major IDEs work quite well with Maven's pom files, so it's very easy to switch IDEs at any time. WOAAAH I beg to differ. Actually some IDEs work much better with Maven pom's than others. It depends on how you like to arrange your projects and work on them. (At work, the IntelliJ users get a much different feel for multi-module projects than Eclipse users). As you said in the lower portion, choosing an IDE is more about what you're comfortable with. As I know Eclipse the best I am most productive in it (being a plugin contributor helps here ;) ). I have coded scala in a text editor (and sometimes resort to that at times), but in general I am more efficient in eclipse as I began to think in eclipse when I code. I'm positive this is different for different users. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
Ah, I get it now. Jacob Grydholt Jensen wrote: No, he is talking about *developers* switching from rails to lift, not projects. /grydholt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
This is interesting. I'll think about this. Thanks. Chas. Alexander Kellett wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at Eclipse, too. David Pollak wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.com wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. They work fine. While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is better than a good text editor. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Git some: http://github.com/dpp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs, so... I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started. I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the best just start coding. On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at Eclipse, too. David Pollak wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.com wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. They work fine. While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is better than a good text editor. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Git some:http://github.com/dpp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Lift] Re: Rails - Lift
Can't do them all, but I'd mention Emacs and Vim. Maybe show a slide of what they look like. Chas. TylerWeir wrote: It's not an editor/IDE war unless someone brings up Vim or Emacs, so... I've been using Vim+Scala+Ctags since I started. I'd recommend not getting hung-up on which editor is the best just start coding. On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com wrote: I was thinking that I'd start with Textmate, since I've used that the most and it's what most Rails developers use, and then move to NetBeans, since that seems to be pretty popular. But I could take a quick look at Eclipse, too. David Pollak wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Alexander Kellett lypa...@gmail.com mailto:lypa...@gmail.com wrote: actually my biggest blocker (and still my blocker) is getting a working coding environment. there is so much contradictory information on which ide is the best. it would be really nice to have a document that talks about the pro's and con's of each ide. in the rails/osx world its easy: use textmate unless you have a predisposition for something else. I spent a lot of time coding Scala and Lift with emacs and Textmate. They work fine. While my current IDE of choice is NetBeans, I'm not convinced that an IDE is better than a good text editor. not the case for lift / scala in general. i know, boring... but i think it really would help to have such a document to help people decide. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Charles F. Munat c...@munat.com mailto:c...@munat.com wrote: I'm writing a proposal for a presentation on moving from Rails to Lift. A couple of stumbling blocks that I've mentioned are: 1. Understanding and taking advantage of immutable constructs. 2. Getting the hang of the view-centric approach to MVC. Before I go much further, I'd like to poll this list for things that others think should be included. For former or current Rails developers like myself, What sorts of things gave you the most trouble when moving to Lift (or trying it out)? What would you like to have had someone explain to you to make the transition easier? Thanks for any help! Chas. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Git some:http://github.com/dpp --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
