On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Martin martin.lyn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey,
First of all, let me take the complete opposite stance observed from
one of the most reason posts from a Rails Junkie. I'm very excited
to see a framework that takes the good from so many different projects
and houses it under a language that does the same. I find it
refreshing to have the powerful tools developed around Java available
for development in this new Scala language and the Lift framework. No
matter how much one hates the design choices and the verbosity of the
most popular platform in our lifetime, it is only a benefit that we
have access to the years of effort devoted to it. The powerful
compiler behind Scala is my sole reason for preferring it to ports
like JRuby and Groovy.
Now to the point of my query, what is the activity and excitement
levels around lift at this point? I understand that money drives the
world and to make a framework successful one must market like Rails
and make some bank to promote future maintenance and improvements.
Please see http://www.ohloh.net/p/liftweb/
They do an analysis of commits to open source projects. A couple of
take-aways is the increase in both team size and number of commits to Lift
over the last year. 33 different people contributed code. That's
significant momentum.
I notice the last production quality release was over a year ago;
Actually, it was last week. Companies including FourSquare run their
service on Lift milestone releases.
We were hoping to have Lift 1.1 (now 2.0) out a long time ago, but we've
been tracking Scala 2.8 which was, well, supposed to be out a long time ago.
So, every few months, it looks as if Scala 2.8 is just around the corner
and it seems that it makes sense to hold off on the Lift 2.0 final until
Scala 2.8.
But, I spent a week hanging with Martin Odersky a few weeks back (as well as
Paul Philips) and I think a mid to late Spring 2.8 release is a reality
which means that a Lift 2.0 release will happen 3-6 weeks after that
(depending on where in the month Scala lands and how stable the 2.8.0
release is).
I do
notice there have been much more frequent updates to say the wiki and
the work on the 1.1 milestones. It just seems strange that a minor
release on such a young project would taking such a long time.
This will change after our 2.0 release. Perhaps we'll do monthly
milestones and quarterly dot releases (ports of the best of the milestones
that do not break API compatibility).
This is
a completely naive view of what is going on, and this is why i post
this query because I want to be disproven so I can feel comfortable
suggesting the use of this framework for the long term.
Take a look at ticket velocity and review board velocity. As you watch the
increase in number of tickets, you'll get, I hope, a sense of vibrance in
the code and the community. The other thing to look at is the mailing list
velocity and size. http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/about?hl=en
We've doubled the number of messages on the list over last year and
the
mailing list size is 1,700 and growing steadily at an average of 5-7 new
people per day.
Thanks for letting me take some of your time away from more important
things :). I just figured seeing this was a question in my mind,
others thinking about using the framework might have the same
question.
I hope I've addressed your concerns. If you are thinking about Lift for a
production site (profit or non-profit), please contact me off-list to tell
me about your project. I may have people that could help you communicate
effectively with your team about the risks and benefits of going with Lift.
Thanks,
David
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