[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
Because you're sick and tired of maintaining other peoples EJB/Struts/whatever You'll be just as sick and tired of maintaining other people's (and your own) Scala code in six to nine months, except you'll be doing it for less money and the code will be in flux all the time. The solution to the sick and tired issue is to have a life outside of work. :-) That sounds more like an enterprise mindset to me. To me this sounds more like common sense. Programming is a social activity, and things just work better if more than a few devs on the team understand the language you're coding in. It also helps to give the developers as little rope as productively possible, otherwise you will see people using insane combinations of the most obscure features just to prove to themselves they can use those features. Seen it happen with C++ in the past quite often. Folks would learn templates, get excited, and come up with the most complicated design possible. You'd just sit there staring at the code in the debugger and go WTF was he trying to do here? Sure, it's generic as hell, but no one will ever use its genericness, and bugs take much longer to fix all of a sudden. That's why e.g. Google uses only C++, Java and Python. Heck, David mentioned it took him months to really figure out Scala, and I'm pretty sure he's better than your average dev by a good margin. It would probably take him all of 20 minutes to figure out Groovy, and a day to learn Python. OK, maybe a couple of days, at a leisurely pace. But the choice of implementation platform/language is seldom the cause of startup failure.but I guess that's for another forum :-) That's probably because they tend to pick less exotic stuff. PHP, RoR, Pylons, Grails. This is not to say that you can't build a successful startup with Lift -- it's 100% feasible, no question about it. I'm just saying that a lot of the folks you hire will be crushed by the cognitive load required to learn both a radically new (and rather complex) language and a web framework that represents a significant departure from all the imperative stuff they're used to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
I simply could not disagree more on this point. You forget that there was a time when RoR was *very* exotic... you might have heard of a little startup called 37 signals? ;-) Imperative to functional is a shift, but most developers (bar the lazy ones) usually enjoy a mental challenge. All the developers and real-life lift users that I met at Devoxx this year had a serious buzz about both Scala and Lift... I think you underestimate people: given the right support and warm feeling you'll be surprised what your average developer can achieve. In essence, thats what we do over here... we don't have as detailed docs as rails (yet!) for instance, but we have a super smart community that is amazingly helpful to everyone. I know if i were a startup, those would certainly be qualities in a tooling community that would carry a lot of weight in my book (not to mention lift and scala are technically awesome) Cheers, Tim On 9 Dec 2009, at 09:47, DMB wrote: That's probably because they tend to pick less exotic stuff. PHP, RoR, Pylons, Grails. This is not to say that you can't build a successful startup with Lift -- it's 100% feasible, no question about it. I'm just saying that a lot of the folks you hire will be crushed by the cognitive load required to learn both a radically new (and rather complex) language and a web framework that represents a significant departure from all the imperative stuff they're used to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
My slide deck (for any that are interested) can be found here: http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dcbpz3ck_24f3v83ggz -harryh On Dec 8, 12:19 am, Xuefeng Wu ben...@gmail.com wrote: 6:30 p.m. the time zone is -8:00? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:58 PM, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.comwrote: I can't seem to be able to download the talk. Anyone else having problems? Yeah... n8han's uploading the video elsewhere... we'll send around an URL once we get one. M On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com scala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Scala中文社区: http://groups.google.com/group/scalacn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
Very nice stuff ! On Dec 8, 8:58 pm, harryh har...@gmail.com wrote: My slide deck (for any that are interested) can be found here: http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dcbpz3ck_24f3v83ggz -harryh On Dec 8, 12:19 am, Xuefeng Wu ben...@gmail.com wrote: 6:30 p.m. the time zone is -8:00? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:58 PM, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.comwrote: I can't seem to be able to download the talk. Anyone else having problems? Yeah... n8han's uploading the video elsewhere... we'll send around an URL once we get one. M On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com scala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Scala中文社区: http://groups.google.com/group/scalacn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
N8han upped it a while ago: http://www.vimeo.com/8057986 On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
that last link works. THanks Tyler! M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: N8han upped it a while ago: http://www.vimeo.com/8057986 On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
I've been with Foursquare for four months, and during this time I've decided to change their infrastructure to Scala and Lift. LOL. Good luck hiring devs for this, guys. You will need it. On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.com wrote: that last link works. THanks Tyler! M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: N8han upped it a while ago:http://www.vimeo.com/8057986 On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM, DMB combust...@gmail.com wrote: I've been with Foursquare for four months, and during this time I've decided to change their infrastructure to Scala and Lift. LOL. Good luck hiring devs for this, guys. You will need it. Why do you say this? There is an increasing supply of talented Scala developers. I have nearly a dozen quality developers I know who would rather be doing Scala work than whatever they're doing now... just come to a Scala BASE meeting to meet some of them. There is also an increasing demand for Scala developers between Twitter, LinkedIn, and KaChing, etc. Plus, it's a great match... by and large, Scala developers are the intellectually curious sorts who are willing to do extra work in order to get the benefits of Scala... this is an ideal profile for a start-up like FourSquare. And FourSquare is a wicked hot start-up that offers tremendous upside to anyone who joins now (like Twitter did 2 years ago.) In fact, Scala is a great filter for FourSquare... they get to cherry-pick from a relatively small, tremendously talented pool of developers. If I were single and 20 years younger, I'd be updating and sending my resume to FourSquare... and I haven't updated (or had to update) my resume in 5 years. On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.com wrote: that last link works. THanks Tyler! M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: N8han upped it a while ago:http://www.vimeo.com/8057986 On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
cherry-pick from a relatively small, tremendously talented pool of developers Startups never get to cherry pick from anything since they don't have the dough to pay for best work. If I'm a kick ass dev, why would I trade my six figure salary for a five figure one with a tiny sliver of equity which may or may not actually be worth anything in the end? In any startup, I would emphasize readability/maintainability of code, and broad availability of lower cost workforce. I mean, I would not LOL if he switched things over to Grails, for instance. Both Java and RoR devs feel comfortable with that, it's easy as a pie, and it's a massive improvement over PHP. Sure, it's not as fast as Lift, but I've found it to be more concise for most things, since the framework does quite a bit more work for you. More importantly, it's better documented, it takes far less time to build a site with it, and to train new devs who are not familiar with the framework. If I were doing a startup, Scala and Lift would surely not be the top choices. They could work for an established business with a solid developer core though (like LinkedIn, for instance). Don't get me wrong, I like both Lift and Scala (enough to tinker with both for extended periods of time), but I don't foresee any kind of mainstream adoption for either of the two. 90% of developers out there can't grasp even Java fully, and the remaining 10% make enough money on Java to stick with it. On Dec 8, 7:47 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM, DMB combust...@gmail.com wrote: I've been with Foursquare for four months, and during this time I've decided to change their infrastructure to Scala and Lift. LOL. Good luck hiring devs for this, guys. You will need it. Why do you say this? There is an increasing supply of talented Scala developers. I have nearly a dozen quality developers I know who would rather be doing Scala work than whatever they're doing now... just come to a Scala BASE meeting to meet some of them. There is also an increasing demand for Scala developers between Twitter, LinkedIn, and KaChing, etc. Plus, it's a great match... by and large, Scala developers are the intellectually curious sorts who are willing to do extra work in order to get the benefits of Scala... this is an ideal profile for a start-up like FourSquare. And FourSquare is a wicked hot start-up that offers tremendous upside to anyone who joins now (like Twitter did 2 years ago.) In fact, Scala is a great filter for FourSquare... they get to cherry-pick from a relatively small, tremendously talented pool of developers. If I were single and 20 years younger, I'd be updating and sending my resume to FourSquare... and I haven't updated (or had to update) my resume in 5 years. On Dec 8, 1:49 pm, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.com wrote: that last link works. THanks Tyler! M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:18 PM, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote: N8han upped it a while ago:http://www.vimeo.com/8057986 On Dec 8, 4:08 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Im sure n8han will put it on blip.tv when he gets a chance. Be patient, im sure it'll come soon :-) Cheers, Tim On 8 Dec 2009, at 20:50, Mateo Barraza wrote: Anyone still looking into uploading the video version of this prezo? M On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. This is something we'll need at EQUAL Networks within a month or two. Do you think you'll get to it within that time period? I'm happy to take a stab at it first, though I know it's not trivial (I've only written oAuth clients, not servers). Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
DMB combust...@gmail.com writes: cherry-pick from a relatively small, tremendously talented pool of developers Startups never get to cherry pick from anything since they don't have the dough to pay for best work. If I'm a kick ass dev, why would I trade my six figure salary for a five figure one with a tiny sliver of equity which may or may not actually be worth anything in the end? Because you're sick and tired of maintaining other peoples EJB/Struts/whatever application? In any startup, I would emphasize readability/maintainability of code, and broad availability of lower cost workforce. That sounds more like an enterprise mindset to me. [...] Don't get me wrong, I like both Lift and Scala (enough to tinker with both for extended periods of time), but I don't foresee any kind of mainstream adoption for either of the two. Me neither, at least in the near future, but while startups get a lot of press it will never be the majority of people who will work there. But startups have to pick the best tools for the job to get something going, fast. For some (myself included) this meant Scala/Lift. But the choice of implementation platform/language is seldom the cause of startup failure.but I guess that's for another forum :-) /Jeppe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.comwrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? It's on my to-do list. How can I help? Once I get the code into the repo, you're welcome/encouraged to make it better. Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com scala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
I can't seem to be able to download the talk. Anyone else having problems? M On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.comwrote: I can't seem to be able to download the talk. Anyone else having problems? Yeah... n8han's uploading the video elsewhere... we'll send around an URL once we get one. M On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com scala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Fwd: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY
6:30 p.m. the time zone is -8:00? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:58 PM, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Mateo Barraza mateo.barr...@gmail.comwrote: I can't seem to be able to download the talk. Anyone else having problems? Yeah... n8han's uploading the video elsewhere... we'll send around an URL once we get one. M On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Peter Robinett pe...@bubblefoundry.com wrote: If you missed the talk you can download it from the same link. It's a good one. One thing mentioned briefly in the talk that I'd like to know more about is oAuth Server code. Is anyone working on that? How can I help? Peter On Dec 7, 3:16 pm, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dave Briccetti da...@davebsoft.com Date: Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM Subject: Watch Foursquare Lift talk live from NY To: Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts scala-b...@googlegroups.com http://www.justin.tv/n8han -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Bay Area Scala Enthusiasts group. To post to this group, send email to scala-b...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to scala-base+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com scala-base%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comscala-base%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/scala-base?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web frameworkhttp://liftweb.net Beginning Scalahttp://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Scala中文社区: http://groups.google.com/group/scalacn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
