[Lift] Re: Serious widget action
Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
+1 for cappuccino Played around with it a while back - it's pretty amazing. What kind of intergration are we talking about? I wouldn't mind taking a look at intergrating cappuccino. On 10/03/2010, at 10.37, Indrajit Raychaudhuri wrote: ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
The only possible thing that one could do would need two aspects: 1. The lift side to produce particular JSON 2. The capp side to consume said JSON Without a full package, there aren't really any integration points as we have already got comet working with capp so the only thing remaining is overall user implementation experience. Cheers, Tim On 10 Mar 2010, at 09:40, Mads Hartmann Jensen wrote: +1 for cappuccino Played around with it a while back - it's pretty amazing. What kind of intergration are we talking about? I wouldn't mind taking a look at intergrating cappuccino. On 10/03/2010, at 10.37, Indrajit Raychaudhuri wrote: ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On 10/03/10 3:21 PM, Timothy Perrett wrote: The only possible thing that one could do would need two aspects: 1. The lift side to produce particular JSON 2. The capp side to consume said JSON Without a full package, there aren't really any integration points as we have already got comet working with capp so the only thing remaining is overall user implementation experience. +1 And some docs, may be. The previous discussion thread on this: http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/41839eee55ab8e2b/de6ed5b83242ab16 Cheers, Indrajit Cheers, Tim On 10 Mar 2010, at 09:40, Mads Hartmann Jensen wrote: +1 for cappuccino Played around with it a while back - it's pretty amazing. What kind of intergration are we talking about? I wouldn't mind taking a look at intergrating cappuccino. On 10/03/2010, at 10.37, Indrajit Raychaudhuri wrote: ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Mariusmarius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrowsjim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, awanth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options,
[Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On Mar 10, 1:15 am, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Personally, I would say forget ExtJS, compared to Cappuccino its streets behind: http://cappuccino.org/ Easily the most exciting UI framework out there right now Perhaps I should add that I need sophisticated grids: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/#sample-3 A bunch of options like JQuery UI, YUI, and from what I see from Cappuccino don't seam to come close to the kind of widget sophistication that I am seeing in ExtJS. Hence, ExtJS is my front runner. (Flex is ultimately competition, but I don't like dealing with Flash.) I have a sprinkling of JQuery usage in my app already, and my initial thought was to simply use the JQuery adapter for ExtJS. Alternatively, I could probably just rewrite my JQuery code in ExtJS -- assuming then I would take the route to provide a jsArtifact for ExtJS. My real concern is factors like security and leveraging things like SHtml.link -- I don't want an oil and water scenario. I still need to deep dive into ExtJS, but wanted to float the idea in case someone was aware of a red flag before I wasted too much time. It doesn't sound like anybody is using ZK [1], eh? [1] http://zkoss.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Serious widget action
If you've already decided on ExtJS, why don't you just go use it? Dirk from Ext was originally going to do ExtJS integration, but he has disappeared into the ether never to be seen again. You could always start an integration module on github and go from there... Cheers, Tim On Mar 10, 3:29 pm, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: On Mar 10, 1:15 am, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Personally, I would say forget ExtJS, compared to Cappuccino its streets behind: http://cappuccino.org/ Easily the most exciting UI framework out there right now Perhaps I should add that I need sophisticated grids: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/#sample-3 A bunch of options like JQuery UI, YUI, and from what I see from Cappuccino don't seam to come close to the kind of widget sophistication that I am seeing in ExtJS. Hence, ExtJS is my front runner. (Flex is ultimately competition, but I don't like dealing with Flash.) I have a sprinkling of JQuery usage in my app already, and my initial thought was to simply use the JQuery adapter for ExtJS. Alternatively, I could probably just rewrite my JQuery code in ExtJS -- assuming then I would take the route to provide a jsArtifact for ExtJS. My real concern is factors like security and leveraging things like SHtml.link -- I don't want an oil and water scenario. I still need to deep dive into ExtJS, but wanted to float the idea in case someone was aware of a red flag before I wasted too much time. It doesn't sound like anybody is using ZK [1], eh? [1]http://zkoss.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:29 AM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: On Mar 10, 1:15 am, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Personally, I would say forget ExtJS, compared to Cappuccino its streets behind: http://cappuccino.org/ Easily the most exciting UI framework out there right now Perhaps I should add that I need sophisticated grids: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/#sample-3 Hmmm... Cappuccino is the Apple AppKit, except it runs in the browser. Here's a cool example of a pure Cappuccino app: http://280slides.com/Editor/ Further, with Atlas ( http://280atlas.com/ ) you can take the output from NIB (Next Interface Builder, AKA OS X Interface Builder) files and literally run them in the browser. You have the full power of OS X's UI running in the browser. There's nothing in my experience that even comes close. A bunch of options like JQuery UI, YUI, and from what I see from Cappuccino don't seam to come close to the kind of widget sophistication that I am seeing in ExtJS. Hence, ExtJS is my front runner. (Flex is ultimately competition, but I don't like dealing with Flash.) I actually think that Cappuccino with Atlas is more powerful than Flash. I have a sprinkling of JQuery usage in my app already, and my initial thought was to simply use the JQuery adapter for ExtJS. Alternatively, I could probably just rewrite my JQuery code in ExtJS -- assuming then I would take the route to provide a jsArtifact for ExtJS. My real concern is factors like security and leveraging things like SHtml.link -- I don't want an oil and water scenario. I still need to deep dive into ExtJS, but wanted to float the idea in case someone was aware of a red flag before I wasted too much time. There are lots of things that can be done to integrate Lift's statefulness (server-side functions closing over state mapped to GUIDs sent to the client side) via JSON and Ajax/Comet. It will take a little thinking to get things right, but I have a high degree of confidence that it can be made right. It doesn't sound like anybody is using ZK [1], eh? [1] http://zkoss.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Mads Hartmann Jensen mads...@gmail.comwrote: +1 for cappuccino Played around with it a while back - it's pretty amazing. What kind of intergration are we talking about? I wouldn't mind taking a look at intergrating cappuccino. This would be a heck of an amazing GSoC project (although I'm not sure it's more important than the SBT stuff.) But, if you need any help from the 280 North guys, they have an ongoing interest in Lift integration. We hang out once a quarter or so and always walk away intending to do something, but never actually doing it. With this said, supporting both ExtJs (the MIT licensed part) and Cap would be awesome. On 10/03/2010, at 10.37, Indrajit Raychaudhuri wrote: ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me:
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.euwrote: The only possible thing that one could do would need two aspects: 1. The lift side to produce particular JSON 2. The capp side to consume said JSON Without a full package, there aren't really any integration points as we have already got comet working with capp so the only thing remaining is overall user implementation experience. Oh, I disagree. I think there are a lot of interesting potential ways to write model (not RDBMS models, but more general models) that emit Obj-J such that they feel natural to Cap and fully integrate with Cap (and Atlas) but are strongly typed and play well in Scala/Lift/Akka/Goat Rodeo land. Cheers, Tim On 10 Mar 2010, at 09:40, Mads Hartmann Jensen wrote: +1 for cappuccino Played around with it a while back - it's pretty amazing. What kind of intergration are we talking about? I wouldn't mind taking a look at intergrating cappuccino. On 10/03/2010, at 10.37, Indrajit Raychaudhuri wrote: ExtCore is MIT Licensed and a candidate for JSArtifacts impl [1]. I started dabbling with an implementation of ExtCoreArtifacts sometime back, but didn't have enough bandwidth to carry it forward. In case somebody is willing to run with this, there is a ticket for this already [2] Non ExtCore are GPLed and doesn't mix conveniently. Although there are some exceptions, I am not sure how practically that works license wise [3]. Cheers, Indrajit [1] http://www.extjs.com/products/extcore/ [2] http://www.assembla.com/spaces/liftweb/tickets/132 [3] http://www.extjs.com/products/floss-exception.php On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com wrote: Please see here http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/5e4f5e424d33db40/32cfb6752954?lnk=gstq=ExtJs#32cfb6752954 I'd strongly encourage you to integrate ExtJs with Lift and potentially other frameworks. Depending on JS library licence we'd be happy to have integrations with other JS frameworks. JsArtifacts should provide you the necessary abstractions for such integrations but if you run into problems, please let us know. On Mar 10, 8:27 am, Jim Barrows jim.barr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:45 PM, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: It is time for me to add some serious widgets to my lift app. So far, I am most enamored by ExtJS. Another alternative could possibly be ZK. Does anybody have any experience with these frameworks? Can you comment on why integrating them with Scala/Lift would be a bad idea (or not work)? I searched for some historical posts on ExtJS and discovered some threads about it's license and how it impacts inclusion in the lift framework. Would a commercial license prohibit it from being a lift- widget submodule candidate? Does anybody have a better suggestion that you think can compete with ExtJS? I'm using ExtJS in anger at 0rk. 3.1.1 is nice. 3.0.0 is weird. Some odd bugs being reported. We're also getting some weird interactions with some other js libraries ( I won't mention it, it's not available anymore, and if it was it just leave you scarred) and CSS. However, that's the other libraries fault more then ExtJS's. If you want something that looks and feels as close to a desktop app as you can get.. ExtJS can do the job well. With Lift providing the JSON, it would be hard to go wrong. That said.. ExtJS is not an easy beast to learn. It's even worse to try and L10N it easily. I would not try and use just pieces of it, it's really not designed to do that. It seems to me to be an all or nothing approach. That's not say you can't use it piecemeal, I think you lose a lot of flexibility (especially in layout) that way. I wouldn't use it if left to my own devices though, unless I had a requirement for a desktop app on the web. It's serious overkill. -- James A Barrows -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [Lift] Re: Serious widget action
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.euwrote: If you've already decided on ExtJS, why don't you just go use it? Dirk from Ext was originally going to do ExtJS integration, but he has disappeared into the ether never to be seen again. Yeah... I gotta ping him. He's also got some translation tickets open. You could always start an integration module on github and go from there... Cheers, Tim On Mar 10, 3:29 pm, aw anth...@whitford.com wrote: On Mar 10, 1:15 am, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote: Personally, I would say forget ExtJS, compared to Cappuccino its streets behind: http://cappuccino.org/ Easily the most exciting UI framework out there right now Perhaps I should add that I need sophisticated grids: http://www.extjs.com/deploy/dev/examples/#sample-3 A bunch of options like JQuery UI, YUI, and from what I see from Cappuccino don't seam to come close to the kind of widget sophistication that I am seeing in ExtJS. Hence, ExtJS is my front runner. (Flex is ultimately competition, but I don't like dealing with Flash.) I have a sprinkling of JQuery usage in my app already, and my initial thought was to simply use the JQuery adapter for ExtJS. Alternatively, I could probably just rewrite my JQuery code in ExtJS -- assuming then I would take the route to provide a jsArtifact for ExtJS. My real concern is factors like security and leveraging things like SHtml.link -- I don't want an oil and water scenario. I still need to deep dive into ExtJS, but wanted to float the idea in case someone was aware of a red flag before I wasted too much time. It doesn't sound like anybody is using ZK [1], eh? [1]http://zkoss.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
