[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
Is Lift suitable for web for mobiles? Generally web for mobiles (especially in Japan) has some characteristics: * No JavaScript support * No cookie support * Non standard HTML tags Thanks I think this thread contains the key dragons in Lift. Basically, it boils down to: Lift is highly stateful... that has its pluses and minuses. We're working on mitigating the minuses (session replication and persistence). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
It should be just fine. You can tell lift to not use Ajax or any JS at all. There are some flags in LiftRules to do that. LiftRules.setAutoIncludeComet = false; LiftRules.setAutoIncludeAjax = false; Besides that just don't use JS in your markup or don't use Lift's ajax stuff. Lift works with no cookies. Turning off cookies from container would automatically make Lift to use url-rewriting and put jsessionid in urls. You should be able to use XHTML MP with no problems. Br's, Marius On Nov 20, 6:28 am, ngocdaothanh ngocdaoth...@gmail.com wrote: Is Lift suitable for web for mobiles? Generally web for mobiles (especially in Japan) has some characteristics: * No JavaScript support * No cookie support * Non standard HTML tags Thanks I think this thread contains the key dragons in Lift. Basically, it boils down to: Lift is highly stateful... that has its pluses and minuses. We're working on mitigating the minuses (session replication and persistence). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
Re: [Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com writes: It should be just fine. You can tell lift to not use Ajax or any JS at all. There are some flags in LiftRules to do that. LiftRules.setAutoIncludeComet = false; LiftRules.setAutoIncludeAjax = false; Besides that just don't use JS in your markup or don't use Lift's ajax stuff. Even if you don't explicitly use any Ajax, I believe Lift will store callback mappings in the session? How does Lift's GC work if there's no JS support? /Jeppe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
Re: [Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Jeppe Nejsum Madsen je...@ingolfs.dkwrote: Marius marius.dan...@gmail.com writes: It should be just fine. You can tell lift to not use Ajax or any JS at all. There are some flags in LiftRules to do that. LiftRules.setAutoIncludeComet = false; LiftRules.setAutoIncludeAjax = false; Besides that just don't use JS in your markup or don't use Lift's ajax stuff. Even if you don't explicitly use any Ajax, I believe Lift will store callback mappings in the session? How does Lift's GC work if there's no JS support? The functions are retained for the duration of the session. This will not likely cause an issue on mobiles and the usage is not likely to produce a lot of pages/forms during a given session. /Jeppe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
On Nov 19, 12:37 am, David Pollak feeder.of.the.be...@gmail.com wrote: But one of the key things to keep in mind regarding Lift is how we as a community handle problems. One of the biggest, nastiest bugs in Lift-land crept into the code in the last few days:http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/558280f51 Sessions were getting destroyed seemingly randomly. Please look at how the problem was dealt with. There will be bugs in Lift in the future. You can expect that they will be dealt with in the future in the same way. What you will hear from the Lift developers is that we stand behind Lift and when there are problems, we stand behind fixing them. In terms of Scala the language, EPFL has a very similar attitude. We will do what it takes to support the folks who bet their careers and companies on Lift right on down to the JVM. Good to know - thanks David. I'm sure that I will have reason to call on that support, so thanks in advance :-) paul.butcher-msgCount++ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
On Nov 18, 11:32 am, harryh har...@gmail.com wrote: - Don't use Lift with MySQL, they don't play nicely. Use PostgreSQL Can you elaborate? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
If I may .. this statement is confusing leading to incorrect interpretation. Lift works with MySQL as ANY Java application. Harry may have referred to Lift's Mapper framework which for MySql may be some problems that I'm not aware of. But if MySQL becomes critical for you I'm sure things can be prioritized. On Nov 18, 8:23 pm, cody koeninger c...@koeninger.org wrote: On Nov 18, 11:32 am, harryh har...@gmail.com wrote: - Don't use Lift with MySQL, they don't play nicely. Use PostgreSQL Can you elaborate? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
See this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/4a174ecf34873967/ In which we discuss how certain queries generated by Mapper perform very poorly on MySQL. Certainly this problem could be addressed, but until it is using Mapper with MySQL will be problematic. -harryh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
Re: [Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
Hi, Marius wrote: On Nov 18, 6:31 pm, Paul Butcher p...@paulbutcher.com wrote: I'm seriously considering Lift for a new project. I know what the benefits of Scala and Lift are (that's why I'm seriously considering this as a route forwards :-) What I'm wondering is whether there are any lurking nasties that I should be aware of (so that I can avoid learning about them the hard way). Not sure if there is any. One thing though Lift's session state is kept in memory and not serialized in the DB. Session serialization is a bit tricky since we keep the bound functions on the session state. Those functions are in many cases anonymous function that may hold other references which are not serializable. Even if everything is serializable using Java serialization is likely suboptimal. But keeping the sessions in memory and have a session affinity load balancing is a very good choice from performance perspective. There are people playing around with Terracotta (http://www.terracotta.org/web/display/orgsite/Platform) and Lift. There seems to be some success regarding actors running on a cluster. No idea if Terracotta plays well with Lift session handling. There's only an unanswered post in the ML archive on that. Regards, Eros -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en.
[Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
Thanks everyone - that's exactly the kind of information that I was looking for. Now all I need to do is persuade my colleagues that selecting a young technology (again) is a good idea ;-) Thanks again, paul.butcher-msgCount++ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
Re: [Lift] Re: Where are the dragons hiding?
Paul, I think this thread contains the key dragons in Lift. Basically, it boils down to: Lift is highly stateful... that has its pluses and minuses. We're working on mitigating the minuses (session replication and persistence). But one of the key things to keep in mind regarding Lift is how we as a community handle problems. One of the biggest, nastiest bugs in Lift-land crept into the code in the last few days: http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb/browse_thread/thread/558280f51666972f/0291e1224f0f0ce8?hl=en#0291e1224f0f0ce8. Sessions were getting destroyed seemingly randomly. Please look at how the problem was dealt with. There will be bugs in Lift in the future. You can expect that they will be dealt with in the future in the same way. What you will hear from the Lift developers is that we stand behind Lift and when there are problems, we stand behind fixing them. In terms of Scala the language, EPFL has a very similar attitude. We will do what it takes to support the folks who bet their careers and companies on Lift right on down to the JVM. Thanks, David On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Paul Butcher p...@paulbutcher.com wrote: Thanks everyone - that's exactly the kind of information that I was looking for. Now all I need to do is persuade my colleagues that selecting a young technology (again) is a good idea ;-) Thanks again, paul.butcher-msgCount++ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comliftweb%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=. -- Lift, the simply functional web framework http://liftweb.net Beginning Scala http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430219890 Follow me: http://twitter.com/dpp Surf the harmonics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Lift group. To post to this group, send email to lift...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=.
