[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-13 Thread Timothy Perrett

Hey Greg,

Im not sure there is a description of exactly what is possible, but
this video is probally the best example i've seen of what it can do:
http://is.gd/10DWl

Furthermore, probably checkout the api documentation as thats
ultimately what we'll need to model - its a custom xml structure that
has to be able to handle various responses. 
http://www.wolframalpha.com/developers.html

What do you think?

Cheers, Tim

On Jun 13, 1:20 am, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tim,

 Thanks for the prompt. Can you point me to a description of what's possible
 with W|A? i can put together a draft that you can then rev.

 Best wishes,

 --greg

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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-12 Thread Timothy Perrett

Greg,

If you have any thoughts on effective ways to model this query grammar
id be interested in your thoughts :-)

Cheers, Tim

On Jun 11, 10:38 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com
wrote:
 All,

 Thanks for all this input. It certainly helps me see the value-prop better.

 Best wishes,

 --greg

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Kris Nuttycombe
 kris.nuttyco...@gmail.comwrote:







  I sort of see Wolfram Alpha as simply an incredibly sophisticated
  calculator instead of an information discovery tool. What were you
  trying to compute about polyadic pi-calculus?

  Alpha seems to be trying to put all sorts of different kinds of data
  into a common, hugely high-dimensional space so that you can perform
  computations on it, where your computations are expressed in a mix of
  mathematical and natural language. There are certainly a lot of things
  that it's not useful for yet, but it's a tremendously interesting
  problem.

  Kris

  On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Meredith
  Gregorylgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
   Tim,

   Thanks for the response. i'll have to noodle on that one. Off the top of
  my
   head, i'm usually in this loop

   Initially, usually badly formulated question
   Get information sources
   Reformulate question
   Loop

   So, i don't really see much difference between the two, except by use. i
   will think about it, though.

   Best wishes,

   --greg

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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-12 Thread Meredith Gregory
Tim,

Thanks for the prompt. Can you point me to a description of what's possible
with W|A? i can put together a draft that you can then rev.

Best wishes,

--greg

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:


 Greg,

 If you have any thoughts on effective ways to model this query grammar
 id be interested in your thoughts :-)

 Cheers, Tim

 On Jun 11, 10:38 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  All,
 
  Thanks for all this input. It certainly helps me see the value-prop
 better.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  --greg
 
  On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Kris Nuttycombe
  kris.nuttyco...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   I sort of see Wolfram Alpha as simply an incredibly sophisticated
   calculator instead of an information discovery tool. What were you
   trying to compute about polyadic pi-calculus?
 
   Alpha seems to be trying to put all sorts of different kinds of data
   into a common, hugely high-dimensional space so that you can perform
   computations on it, where your computations are expressed in a mix of
   mathematical and natural language. There are certainly a lot of things
   that it's not useful for yet, but it's a tremendously interesting
   problem.
 
   Kris
 
   On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Meredith
   Gregorylgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
Tim,
 
Thanks for the response. i'll have to noodle on that one. Off the top
 of
   my
head, i'm usually in this loop
 
Initially, usually badly formulated question
Get information sources
Reformulate question
Loop
 
So, i don't really see much difference between the two, except by
 use. i
will think about it, though.
 
Best wishes,
 
--greg
 
  --
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  Managing Partner
  Biosimilarity LLC
  1219 NW 83rd St
  Seattle, WA 98117
 
  +1 206.650.3740
 
  http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com
 



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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread marius d.

Wolfram Alpha is WAY COOL !

I wish I could help but my spare time is problematic. Maybe I could
help sporadically? Would you be ok with that?

Br's,
Marius


On Jun 11, 7:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:
 Hey chaps,

 Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
 that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
 since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/

 New branch here:http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha

 Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?

 Cheers, Tim
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread TylerWeir

Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.

How do you see this integration planning out?

On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:
 Hey chaps,

 Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
 that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
 since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/

 New branch here:http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha

 Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?

 Cheers, Tim
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread marius d.

Oh and people that are not Lift committers could potentially
join?  I'm sure there are lots of talents in Lift community.

Br's,
Marius

On Jun 11, 7:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:
 Hey chaps,

 Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
 that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
 since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/

 New branch here:http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha

 Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?

 Cheers, Tim
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Timothy Perrett

Hey Ty,

Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.

The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...

I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
welcome.

Cheers, Tim

On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.

 How do you see this integration planning out?

 On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:



  Hey chaps,

  Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
  that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
  since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/

  New branch here:http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha

  Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?

  Cheers, Tim
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Meredith Gregory
Tim,

Could you enlighten me on the coolness of Wolfram Alpha? My initial forays
and comparison to Google were depressingly unfavorable, but excellent if
you're looking for some humor. See the summary below.

Best wishes,

--greg

My standard test of a search engine: polyadic pi-calculus
Google result: first hit is the Edinburgh tutorial prepared by Milner, still
the best reference
Wolfram Alpha: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
Related inputs to try: pi.*

This test, by the way, should be right in W|A's sweet spot.

My next test: phred weasley
Google result: Did you mean: *fred*
weasleyhttp://www.google.ca/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=ePUei=T0gxSvHvF8nRjAfzn5S2Bwsa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q=fred+weasleyspell=1and
then several links to Harry Potter
W|A result: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input. Related
inputs to try: Wesley.*

My next test: fred weasley
Google result: the top Harry Potter sites
W|A result:

Interpreting weasley as wesley
--
--
Assuming Fred (female) | Use Fred
(male)javascript:applyAssumption(1,'*DPClash.GivenNameE.fred-_*FredUnitedStatesMaleName-')instead
--
--
--
Input interpretation:[image: Fred (female given name) | Wesley (male given
name)]
--
--
Latest information for US births:[image: | Fred | Wesley\nrank | 985th
(1929) | 194th (2008)\nfraction | 1 in 21277 people (0.0047%) (1929) | 1 in
1058 people (0.094%) (2008)\nnumber | 54 people per year (1929) | 2033
people per year (2008)]
--
--
History for US births:Log
scalejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41119646i0hb5a62fg04fe211d660aid2aas=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
Morejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41219646i0hb5a62fg058i0506e54df6b4es=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
Fraction:[image: Fraction]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Timothy Perrett
timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:


 Hey Ty,

 Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
 to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
 integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
 the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.

 The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
 whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
 need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
 decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
 specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...

 I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
 welcome.

 Cheers, Tim

 On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote:
  Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.
 
  How do you see this integration planning out?
 
  On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:
 
 
 
   Hey chaps,
 
   Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
   that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
   since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/
 
   New branch here:
 http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha
 
   Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?
 
   Cheers, Tim
 



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1219 NW 83rd St
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+1 206.650.3740

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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Timothy Perrett

Hey Greg,

Im not sure that drawing comparisons to google is right? IMO, they
dont do the same job...? I see why one would see similarities, but
isnt google's purpose to find the sources of information, where as
wolfram's aim is to provide an objective set of answers based on
human input;

http://www.wolframalpha.com/about.html

Cheers, Tim

On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tim,

 Could you enlighten me on the coolness of Wolfram Alpha? My initial forays
 and comparison to Google were depressingly unfavorable, but excellent if
 you're looking for some humor. See the summary below.

 Best wishes,

 --greg

 My standard test of a search engine: polyadic pi-calculus
 Google result: first hit is the Edinburgh tutorial prepared by Milner, still
 the best reference
 Wolfram Alpha: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
 Related inputs to try: pi.*

 This test, by the way, should be right in W|A's sweet spot.

 My next test: phred weasley
 Google result: Did you mean: *fred*
 weasleyhttp://www.google.ca/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en...and
 then several links to Harry Potter
 W|A result: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input. Related
 inputs to try: Wesley.*

 My next test: fred weasley
 Google result: the top Harry Potter sites
 W|A result:

 Interpreting weasley as wesley
 --
 --
 Assuming Fred (female) | Use Fred
 (male)javascript:applyAssumption(1,'*DPClash.GivenNameE.fred-_*FredUnitedS 
 tatesMaleName-')instead
 --
 --
 --
 Input interpretation:[image: Fred (female given name) | Wesley (male given
 name)]
 --
 --
 Latest information for US births:[image: | Fred | Wesley\nrank | 985th
 (1929) | 194th (2008)\nfraction | 1 in 21277 people (0.0047%) (1929) | 1 in
 1058 people (0.094%) (2008)\nnumber | 54 people per year (1929) | 2033
 people per year (2008)]
 --
 --
 History for US births:Log
 scalejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41119646i0hb5a62fg04fe2 
 11d660aid2aas=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
 Morejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41219646i0hb5a62fg058i05 
 06e54df6b4es=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
 Fraction:[image: Fraction]

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Timothy Perrett
 timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:







  Hey Ty,

  Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
  to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
  integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
  the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.

  The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
  whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
  need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
  decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
  specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...

  I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
  welcome.

  Cheers, Tim

  On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote:
   Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.

   How do you see this integration planning out?

   On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu wrote:

Hey chaps,

Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest thing
since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/

New branch here:
 http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha

Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with me?

Cheers, Tim

 --
 L.G. Meredith
 Managing Partner
 Biosimilarity LLC
 1219 NW 83rd St
 Seattle, WA 98117

 +1 206.650.3740

 http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Meredith Gregory
Tim,

Thanks for the response. i'll have to noodle on that one. Off the top of my
head, i'm usually in this loop

   - Initially, usually badly formulated question
   - Get information sources
   - Reformulate question
   - Loop

So, i don't really see much difference between the two, except by use. i
will think about it, though.

Best wishes,

--greg

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Timothy Perrett
timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:


 Hey Greg,

 Im not sure that drawing comparisons to google is right? IMO, they
 dont do the same job...? I see why one would see similarities, but
 isnt google's purpose to find the sources of information, where as
 wolfram's aim is to provide an objective set of answers based on
 human input;

 http://www.wolframalpha.com/about.html

 Cheers, Tim

 On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
  Tim,
 
  Could you enlighten me on the coolness of Wolfram Alpha? My initial
 forays
  and comparison to Google were depressingly unfavorable, but excellent if
  you're looking for some humor. See the summary below.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  --greg
 
  My standard test of a search engine: polyadic pi-calculus
  Google result: first hit is the Edinburgh tutorial prepared by Milner,
 still
  the best reference
  Wolfram Alpha: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
  Related inputs to try: pi.*
 
  This test, by the way, should be right in W|A's sweet spot.
 
  My next test: phred weasley
  Google result: Did you mean: *fred*
  weasley
 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en..
 .and
  then several links to Harry Potter
  W|A result: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
 Related
  inputs to try: Wesley.*
 
  My next test: fred weasley
  Google result: the top Harry Potter sites
  W|A result:
 
  Interpreting weasley as wesley
  --
  --
  Assuming Fred (female) | Use Fred
 
 (male)javascript:applyAssumption(1,'*DPClash.GivenNameE.fred-_*FredUnitedS
 tatesMaleName-')instead
  --
  --
  --
  Input interpretation:[image: Fred (female given name) | Wesley (male
 given
  name)]
  --
  --
  Latest information for US births:[image: | Fred | Wesley\nrank | 985th
  (1929) | 194th (2008)\nfraction | 1 in 21277 people (0.0047%) (1929) | 1
 in
  1058 people (0.094%) (2008)\nnumber | 54 people per year (1929) | 2033
  people per year (2008)]
  --
  --
  History for US births:Log
 
 scalejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41119646i0hb5a62fg04fe2
 11d660aid2aas=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
 
 Morejavascript:asynchronousPod('pod.jsp?id=MSP41219646i0hb5a62fg058i05
 06e54df6b4es=61',%20'0300','fred+weasley','',0)
  Fraction:[image: Fraction]
 
  On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Timothy Perrett
  timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Hey Ty,
 
   Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
   to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
   integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
   the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.
 
   The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
   whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
   need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
   decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
   specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...
 
   I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
   welcome.
 
   Cheers, Tim
 
   On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.
 
How do you see this integration planning out?
 
On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu
 wrote:
 
 Hey chaps,
 
 Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
 that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest
 thing
 since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/
 
 New branch here:
  http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha
 
 Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with
 me?
 
 Cheers, Tim
 
  --
  L.G. Meredith
  Managing Partner
  Biosimilarity LLC
  1219 NW 83rd St
  Seattle, WA 98117
 
  +1 206.650.3740
 
  http://biosimilarity.blogspot.com
 



-- 
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Managing Partner
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1219 NW 83rd St
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+1 206.650.3740

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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Jeremy Day
I haven't played much with WolframAlpha, but I get the impression that it
does better with quantitative results.  For instance, if you were inclined
to compare the number of people in Chicago to the number of people in Alaska
you might create a query like this:

http://www33.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+chicago+%2F+population+of+alaska

Jeremy

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:


 Hey Greg,

 Im not sure that drawing comparisons to google is right? IMO, they
 dont do the same job...? I see why one would see similarities, but
 isnt google's purpose to find the sources of information, where as
 wolfram's aim is to provide an objective set of answers based on
 human input;

 http://www.wolframalpha.com/about.html

 Cheers, Tim

 On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
  Tim,
 
  Could you enlighten me on the coolness of Wolfram Alpha? My initial
 forays
  and comparison to Google were depressingly unfavorable, but excellent if
  you're looking for some humor. See the summary below.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  --greg
 
  My standard test of a search engine: polyadic pi-calculus
  Google result: first hit is the Edinburgh tutorial prepared by Milner,
 still
  the best reference
  Wolfram Alpha: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
  Related inputs to try: pi.*
 
  This test, by the way, should be right in W|A's sweet spot.
 
  My next test: phred weasley
  Google result: Did you mean: *fred*
  weasley
 http://www.google.ca/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en..
 .and
  then several links to Harry Potter
  W|A result: *Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.
 Related
  inputs to try: Wesley.*
 
  My next test: fred weasley
  Google result: the top Harry Potter sites
  W|A result:
 
  Interpreting weasley as wesley
  --
  --
  Assuming Fred (female) | Use Fred
 
 (male)javascript:applyAssumption(1,'*DPClash.GivenNameE.fred-_*FredUnitedS
 tatesMaleName-')instead
  --
  --
  --
  Input interpretation:[image: Fred (female given name) | Wesley (male
 given
  name)]
  --
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  On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Timothy Perrett
  timo...@getintheloop.euwrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Hey Ty,
 
   Essentially the wolfram API is a REST / XMLRPC hybrid, so my plan is
   to model a scala abstraction around Apache HTTP (similar to the paypal
   integration) - speaking of which, i might actually abstract some of
   the common factories out of lift-paypal into lift-util if applicable.
 
   The interesting challenge will be that with wolfram, it can return a
   whole bunch of things, they could be graphs, text, sound - so i'll
   need some abstract way of making that presentable - perhaps some
   decoupled thing with a core communication group, then some lift
   specific abstractions for hooking into bind() or something...
 
   I've not figured it out yet in my head, so any thoughts are most
   welcome.
 
   Cheers, Tim
 
   On Jun 11, 6:16 pm, TylerWeir tyler.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds cool, I agree that there is much awesome in Alpha.
 
How do you see this integration planning out?
 
On Jun 11, 12:02 pm, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.eu
 wrote:
 
 Hey chaps,
 
 Im going to start work on integration with the wolfram alpha engine
 that i've of late become most obsessed with as its the coolest
 thing
 since sliced bread...http://www.wolframalpha.com/
 
 New branch here:
  http://github.com/dpp/liftweb/tree/wip-tim-wolframalpha
 
 Anyone else in the commit team interested in working on this with
 me?
 
 Cheers, Tim
 
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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Kris Nuttycombe

I sort of see Wolfram Alpha as simply an incredibly sophisticated
calculator instead of an information discovery tool. What were you
trying to compute about polyadic pi-calculus?

Alpha seems to be trying to put all sorts of different kinds of data
into a common, hugely high-dimensional space so that you can perform
computations on it, where your computations are expressed in a mix of
mathematical and natural language. There are certainly a lot of things
that it's not useful for yet, but it's a tremendously interesting
problem.

Kris

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Meredith
Gregorylgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tim,

 Thanks for the response. i'll have to noodle on that one. Off the top of my
 head, i'm usually in this loop

 Initially, usually badly formulated question
 Get information sources
 Reformulate question
 Loop

 So, i don't really see much difference between the two, except by use. i
 will think about it, though.

 Best wishes,

 --greg


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[Lift] Re: Wolfram Alpha integration for Lift

2009-06-11 Thread Meredith Gregory
All,

Thanks for all this input. It certainly helps me see the value-prop better.

Best wishes,

--greg

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Kris Nuttycombe
kris.nuttyco...@gmail.comwrote:


 I sort of see Wolfram Alpha as simply an incredibly sophisticated
 calculator instead of an information discovery tool. What were you
 trying to compute about polyadic pi-calculus?

 Alpha seems to be trying to put all sorts of different kinds of data
 into a common, hugely high-dimensional space so that you can perform
 computations on it, where your computations are expressed in a mix of
 mathematical and natural language. There are certainly a lot of things
 that it's not useful for yet, but it's a tremendously interesting
 problem.

 Kris

 On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Meredith
 Gregorylgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote:
  Tim,
 
  Thanks for the response. i'll have to noodle on that one. Off the top of
 my
  head, i'm usually in this loop
 
  Initially, usually badly formulated question
  Get information sources
  Reformulate question
  Loop
 
  So, i don't really see much difference between the two, except by use. i
  will think about it, though.
 
  Best wishes,
 
  --greg
 

 



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