Re: [Lightning-dev] Hold fees: 402 Payment Required for Lightning itself

2020-10-22 Thread Joost Jager
Hi Bastien, We add a forward upfront payment of 1 msat (fixed) that is paid > unconditionally when offering an HTLC. > We add a backwards upfront payment of `hold_fees` that is paid when > receiving an HTLC, but refunded > if the HTLC is settled before the `hold_grace_period` ends (see footnotes

Re: [Lightning-dev] Hold fees: 402 Payment Required for Lightning itself

2020-10-22 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning t-bast, > Sorry in advance for the lengthy email, Come on, ZmnSCPxj writes lengthier. > but I think it's worth detailing my hybrid proposal > (bidirectional upfront payments), it feels to me like a workable solution > that builds on > previous proposals. You can safely ignore the

Re: [Lightning-dev] Hold fees: 402 Payment Required for Lightning itself

2020-10-22 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER via Lightning-dev
Good morning list, Sorry in advance for the lengthy email, but I think it's worth detailing my hybrid proposal (bidirectional upfront payments), it feels to me like a workable solution that builds on previous proposals. You can safely ignore the details at the end of the email and focus only on