Re: [Lightning-dev] proposal for Lightning Network improvement proposals
No need to apologize! Perhaps this confusion shows that the current process surrounding creating/modifying/drafting BOLT documents does indeed need to be better documented. We've more or less been rolling along with a pretty minimal process among the various implementations which I'd say has worked pretty well so far. However as more contributors get involved we may need to add a bit more structure to ensure things are transparent for newcomers. On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 12:57 PM René Pickhardt wrote: > Sorry did not realized that BOLTs are the equivalent - and aparently many > people I spoke to also didn't realize that. > > I thought BOLT is the protocol specification and the bolts are just the > sections. And the BOLT should be updated to a new version. > > Also I suggested that this should take place for example within the > lightning rfc repo. So my suggestion was not about creating another place > but more about making the process more transparent or kind of filling the > gap that I felt was there. > > I am sorry for spaming mailboxes with my suggestion just because I didn't > understand the current process. > > > Olaoluwa Osuntokun schrieb am So., 22. Juli 2018 > 20:59: > >> We already have the equiv of improvement proposals: BOLTs. Historically >> new standardization documents are proposed initially as issues or PR's when >> ultimately accepted. Why do we need another repo? >> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 6:45 AM René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev < >> lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our >>> own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) >>> >>> I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a >>> repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen >>> I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% >>> influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: >>> >>> https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and >>> Questions in this LIP) >>> >>> The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich >>> meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk >>> about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while >>> preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but >>> it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements >>> for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia >>> it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the >>> discussion can be more focused. >>> potential LIPs could include: >>> * Watchtowers >>> * Autopilot >>> * AMP >>> * Splicing >>> * Routing Protcols >>> * Broadcasting past Routing statistics >>> * eltoo >>> * ... >>> >>> As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually >>> I already started) >>> >>> best Rene >>> >>> >>> -- >>> https://www.rene-pickhardt.de >>> >>> Skype: rene.pickhardt >>> >>> mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618 >>> ___ >>> Lightning-dev mailing list >>> Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev >>> >> > Am 22.07.2018 20:59 schrieb "Olaoluwa Osuntokun" : > > We already have the equiv of improvement proposals: BOLTs. Historically > new standardization documents are proposed initially as issues or PR's when > ultimately accepted. Why do we need another repo? > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 6:45 AM René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev < > lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Hey everyone, >> >> in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our >> own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) >> >> I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a >> repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen >> I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% >> influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: >> >> https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and >> Questions in this LIP) >> >> The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich >> meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk >> about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while >> preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but >> it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements >> for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia >> it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the >> discussion can be more focused. >> potential LIPs could include: >> * Watchtowers >> * Autopilot >> * AMP >> * Splicing >> * Routing Protcols >> * Broadcasting past Routing statistics >> * eltoo >> * ... >> >> As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing
Re: [Lightning-dev] proposal for Lightning Network improvement proposals
Sorry did not realized that BOLTs are the equivalent - and aparently many people I spoke to also didn't realize that. I thought BOLT is the protocol specification and the bolts are just the sections. And the BOLT should be updated to a new version. Also I suggested that this should take place for example within the lightning rfc repo. So my suggestion was not about creating another place but more about making the process more transparent or kind of filling the gap that I felt was there. I am sorry for spaming mailboxes with my suggestion just because I didn't understand the current process. Olaoluwa Osuntokun schrieb am So., 22. Juli 2018 20:59: > We already have the equiv of improvement proposals: BOLTs. Historically > new standardization documents are proposed initially as issues or PR's when > ultimately accepted. Why do we need another repo? > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 6:45 AM René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev < > lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Hey everyone, >> >> in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our >> own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) >> >> I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a >> repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen >> I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% >> influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: >> >> https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and >> Questions in this LIP) >> >> The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich >> meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk >> about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while >> preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but >> it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements >> for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia >> it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the >> discussion can be more focused. >> potential LIPs could include: >> * Watchtowers >> * Autopilot >> * AMP >> * Splicing >> * Routing Protcols >> * Broadcasting past Routing statistics >> * eltoo >> * ... >> >> As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually >> I already started) >> >> best Rene >> >> >> -- >> https://www.rene-pickhardt.de >> >> Skype: rene.pickhardt >> >> mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618 >> ___ >> Lightning-dev mailing list >> Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev >> > Am 22.07.2018 20:59 schrieb "Olaoluwa Osuntokun" : We already have the equiv of improvement proposals: BOLTs. Historically new standardization documents are proposed initially as issues or PR's when ultimately accepted. Why do we need another repo? On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 6:45 AM René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev < lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our > own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) > > I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a > repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen > I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% > influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: > > https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and > Questions in this LIP) > > The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich > meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk > about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while > preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but > it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements > for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia > it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the > discussion can be more focused. > potential LIPs could include: > * Watchtowers > * Autopilot > * AMP > * Splicing > * Routing Protcols > * Broadcasting past Routing statistics > * eltoo > * ... > > As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually I > already started) > > best Rene > > > -- > https://www.rene-pickhardt.de > > Skype: rene.pickhardt > > mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618 > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] proposal for Lightning Network improvement proposals
We already have the equiv of improvement proposals: BOLTs. Historically new standardization documents are proposed initially as issues or PR's when ultimately accepted. Why do we need another repo? On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 6:45 AM René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev < lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our > own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) > > I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a > repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen > I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% > influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: > > https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and > Questions in this LIP) > > The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich > meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk > about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while > preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but > it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements > for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia > it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the > discussion can be more focused. > potential LIPs could include: > * Watchtowers > * Autopilot > * AMP > * Splicing > * Routing Protcols > * Broadcasting past Routing statistics > * eltoo > * ... > > As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually I > already started) > > best Rene > > > -- > https://www.rene-pickhardt.de > > Skype: rene.pickhardt > > mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618 > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] proposal for Lightning Network improvement proposals
Lightning is covered by BIPs already. There's no need for a separate repository, and the existing BOLTs should be submitted to the BIPs repository too. On Sunday 22 July 2018 13:45:21 René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev wrote: > Hey everyone, > > in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our own > LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) > > I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a repo > called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen I > created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% > influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: > > https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and > Questions in this LIP) > > The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich > meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk > about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while > preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but > it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements > for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia > it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the > discussion can be more focused. > potential LIPs could include: > * Watchtowers > * Autopilot > * AMP > * Splicing > * Routing Protcols > * Broadcasting past Routing statistics > * eltoo > * ... > > As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually I > already started) > > best Rene ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
[Lightning-dev] proposal for Lightning Network improvement proposals
Hey everyone, in the grand tradition of BIPs I propose that we also start to have our own LIPs (Lightning Network Improvement proposals) I think they should be placed on the github.com/lightning account in a repo called lips (or within the lightning rfc repo) until that will happen I created a draft for LIP-0001 (which is describing the process and is 95% influenced by BIP-0002) in my github repo: https://github.com/renepickhardt/lips (There are some open Todos and Questions in this LIP) The background for this Idea: I just came home from the bitcoin munich meetup where I held a talk examining BOLT. As I was asked to also talk about the future plans of the developers for BOLT 1.1 I realized while preparing the talk that many ideas are distributed within the community but it seems we don't have a central place where we collect future enhancements for BOLT1.1. Having this in mind I think also for the meeting in Australia it would be nice if already a list of LIPs would be in place so that the discussion can be more focused. potential LIPs could include: * Watchtowers * Autopilot * AMP * Splicing * Routing Protcols * Broadcasting past Routing statistics * eltoo * ... As said before I would volunteer to work on a LIP for Splicing (actually I already started) best Rene -- https://www.rene-pickhardt.de Skype: rene.pickhardt mobile: +49 (0)176 5762 3618 ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
