Re: [Lightning-dev] Hold fees: 402 Payment Required for Lightning itself

2020-11-02 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning t-bast, > > An issue with the bidirectional upfront/hold fees is related to trustless > > offchain-to-onchain swaps, like Boltz and Lightning Loop. > > As the claiming of the offchain side is dependent on claiming of the > > onchain side of the trustless swap mechanism, which is *de

[Lightning-dev] Lightning Pool: A Non-Custodial Channel Lease Marketplace

2020-11-02 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
Hi y'all, We've recently released a new system which may be of interest to this list, Lightning Pool [1]. Alongside a working client [2], we've also released a white paper which goes deeper into the architecture of the system. Pool builds on some earlier ideas that were tossed around the ML conce

Re: [Lightning-dev] Hold fees: 402 Payment Required for Lightning itself

2020-11-02 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER via Lightning-dev
Good morning Joost and Z, So in your proposal, an htlc that is received by a routing node has the > following properties: > * htlc amount > * forward up-front payment (anti-spam) > * backward up-front payment (anti-hold) > * grace period > The routing node forwards this to the next hop with > * lo