Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread Ariel Luaces
> bLIPs have a slightly different process than BIPs, as well as a different set > of editors/maintainers (more widely distributed). As we saw with the Speedy > Trial saga (fingers crossed), the sole (?) maintainer of the BIP process was > able to effectively steelman the progression of an author

Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread Luke Dashjr
BOLTs should be BIPs too. Ideally, the authors should be the ones to migrate them, but mirroring is fine - just nobody's taken the time to do it yet. Please stop promoting lies about the BIP repo. I did not "steelman" anything. Adding a third BIP editor more involved with Lightning sounds like

Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
> But they don't address the first point at all, they instead work around > it. To be fair, I don't think we can completely address that first point: > properly reviewing spec proposals takes a lot of effort and accepting > complex changes to the BOLTs shouldn't be done lightly. I think this is

Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
> BIPs are already the Bazaar style of evolution that simultaneously > allows flexibility and coordination/interoperability (since anyone can create a > BIP and they create an environment of discussion). The answer to why not BIPs here applies to BOLTs as well, as bLIPs are intended to

Re: [Lightning-dev] Turbo channels spec?

2021-07-01 Thread Matt Corallo
Thanks! On 6/29/21 01:34, Rusty Russell wrote: Hi all! John Carvalo recently pointed out that not every implementation accepts zero-conf channels, but they are useful. Roasbeef also recently noted that they're not spec'd. How do you all do it? Here's a strawman proposal: 1. Assign

Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread fiatjaf
Here's another feature which just appeared and would benefit from a bLIP for compatibility: https://twitter.com/SimpleBtcWallet/status/1410506889545359365 Atomic splitting of bills. A very small thing, but also very cool. I can't imagine it fitting in the BOLTs at all. 2021-06-30 09:10

Re: [Lightning-dev] bLIPs: A proposal for community-driven app layer and protocol extension standardization

2021-07-01 Thread Bastien TEINTURIER
Thanks for starting that discussion. In my opinion, what we're really trying to address here are the two following points (at least from the point of view of someone who works on the spec and an implementation): - Implementers get frustrated when they've worked on something that they think is