Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Fee Accounts

2022-02-19 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Peter and Jeremy, > Good morning Peter and Jeremy, > > > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 05:20:19PM +, darosior wrote: > > > > > > Necromancing might be a reasonable name for attacks that work by > > > > getting an > > > > out-of-date version of a tx mined. > > > > > > It's not an "attac

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Fee Accounts

2022-02-19 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Peter and Jeremy, > On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 05:20:19PM +, darosior wrote: > > > > Necromancing might be a reasonable name for attacks that work by getting > > > an > > > out-of-date version of a tx mined. > > > > It's not an "attack"? There is no such thing as an out-of-date tran

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Fee Accounts

2022-02-19 Thread Peter Todd
On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 05:20:19PM +, darosior wrote: > > Necromancing might be a reasonable name for attacks that work by getting an > > out-of-date version of a tx mined. > > It's not an "attack"? There is no such thing as an out-of-date transaction, if > you signed and broadcasted it in the

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Fee Accounts

2022-02-19 Thread darosior via Lightning-dev
> Necromancing might be a reasonable name for attacks that work by getting an > out-of-date version of a tx mined. It's not an "attack"? There is no such thing as an out-of-date transaction, if you signed and broadcasted it in the first place. You can't rely on the fact that a replacement transac

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Fee Accounts

2022-02-19 Thread Peter Todd
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 04:38:27PM -0800, Jeremy Rubin wrote: > > As I said, it's a new kind of pinning attack, distinct from other types > of pinning attack. > > I think pinning is "formally defined" as sequences of transactions which > prevent or make it less likely for you to make any progress