Re: [Lightning-dev] Dropping Tor v2 onion services from node_announcement
Earlier this week I was helping a user debug a Tor related issue, and realized (from the logs) that some newer Tor clients are already refusing to connect out to v2 onion services. On the lnd side, I think we'll move to disallow users creating a v2 onion service in our next major release (0.14), and also possibly "upgrade" them to a v3 onion service if their node supports it. I've made a tracking issue here: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/5771 I ran a naive script to gauge how much of the network is using Tor generally, and also v2 onion services extract the following stats: ``` num nodes: 12844 num tor: 8793 num num v2: 66 num num v3: 8777 ``` This counts advertised addresses total, so it likely over estimates, so you can treat this as an upper bound. Thankfully only 60 or so v2 addresses seem to be even _advertised_ on the network, so I don't think this'll cause much disruption. Another interesting tidbit here is that: _over half_ of all advertised addresses on the network today are onion services. I wonder how the rise of onion service usage (many nodes being tor-only) has affected: e2e payment latency, general connection stability, and gossip announcement propagation. In terms of actions we need to take at the spec level, it's likely enough to amend the section on addrs in the node_announcement message to advise implementations to _ignore_ the v2 addr type. -- Laolu On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 3:19 PM darosior via Lightning-dev < lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been almost 9 months since Tor v2 hidden services have been > deprecated. > The Tor project will drop v2 support in about a month in the latest > release. It will then be entirely be dropped from all supported releases by > October. > More at https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline . > > Bitcoin Core defaults to v3 since 0.21.0 ( > https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.21.0/) and is planning to drop the > v2 support for 0.22 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22050), > which means that v2 onions will gradually stop being gossiped on the > Bitcoin network. > > I think we should do the same for the Lightning network, and the timeline > is rather tight. Also, the configuration is user-facing (as opposed to > Bitcoin Core, which generates ephemeral services) which i expect to make > the transition trickier. > C-lightning is deprecating the configuration of Tor v2 services starting > next release, according to our deprecation policy we should be able to > entirely drop its support 3 releases after this one, which should be not so > far from the October deadline. > > Opinions? What is the state of other implementations with regard to Tor v2 > support? > > Antoine > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Dropping Tor v2 onion services from node_announcement
There isn’t a lot to do at the spec level to deprecate them - nodes should start ignoring the addresses bug nodes always need to know the length/parse v2 Onion addresses forever as well as store and forward them. We could amend the spec to say that nodes shouldn’t produce them but it won’t change the receive/process end much. > On Jun 1, 2021, at 18:19, darosior via Lightning-dev > wrote: > > Hi all, > > It's been almost 9 months since Tor v2 hidden services have been deprecated. > The Tor project will drop v2 support in about a month in the latest release. > It will then be entirely be dropped from all supported releases by October. > More at https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline . > > Bitcoin Core defaults to v3 since 0.21.0 > (https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.21.0/) and is planning to drop the v2 > support for 0.22 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22050), which means > that v2 onions will gradually stop being gossiped on the Bitcoin network. > > I think we should do the same for the Lightning network, and the timeline is > rather tight. Also, the configuration is user-facing (as opposed to Bitcoin > Core, which generates ephemeral services) which i expect to make the > transition trickier. > C-lightning is deprecating the configuration of Tor v2 services starting next > release, according to our deprecation policy we should be able to entirely > drop its support 3 releases after this one, which should be not so far from > the October deadline. > > Opinions? What is the state of other implementations with regard to Tor v2 > support? > > Antoine > ___ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
Re: [Lightning-dev] Dropping Tor v2 onion services from node_announcement
On Tue, Jun 01, 2021 at 10:18:42PM +, darosior via Lightning-dev wrote: > Hi all, > > It's been almost 9 months since Tor v2 hidden services have been deprecated. > The Tor project will drop v2 support in about a month in the latest release. > It will then be entirely be dropped from all supported releases by October. > More at https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline . > > Bitcoin Core defaults to v3 since 0.21.0 > (https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.21.0/) and is planning to drop the v2 > support for 0.22 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22050), which means > that v2 onions will gradually stop being gossiped on the Bitcoin network. > > I think we should do the same for the Lightning network, and the timeline is > rather tight. Also, the configuration is user-facing (as opposed to Bitcoin > Core, which generates ephemeral services) which i expect to make the > transition trickier. > C-lightning is deprecating the configuration of Tor v2 services starting next > release, according to our deprecation policy we should be able to entirely > drop its support 3 releases after this one, which should be not so far from > the October deadline. > > Opinions? What is the state of other implementations with regard to Tor v2 > support? One small point re: discussing this topic: remember that Tor is a centralized system with a centralized consensus and directory authorities. So when they say they are dropping v2 hidden services, at some point in the near future that central infrastructure will also drop v2 hidden service support, and v2 hidden services _will_ stop working on the Tor network. So it is pointless to keep support for v2 hidden services beyond Tor's stated deadlines (other than things like maybe ignoring old v2-related config options and the like). -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
[Lightning-dev] Dropping Tor v2 onion services from node_announcement
Hi all, It's been almost 9 months since Tor v2 hidden services have been deprecated. The Tor project will drop v2 support in about a month in the latest release. It will then be entirely be dropped from all supported releases by October. More at https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline . Bitcoin Core defaults to v3 since 0.21.0 (https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/0.21.0/) and is planning to drop the v2 support for 0.22 (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22050), which means that v2 onions will gradually stop being gossiped on the Bitcoin network. I think we should do the same for the Lightning network, and the timeline is rather tight. Also, the configuration is user-facing (as opposed to Bitcoin Core, which generates ephemeral services) which i expect to make the transition trickier. C-lightning is deprecating the configuration of Tor v2 services starting next release, according to our deprecation policy we should be able to entirely drop its support 3 releases after this one, which should be not so far from the October deadline. Opinions? What is the state of other implementations with regard to Tor v2 support? Antoine ___ Lightning-dev mailing list Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev
