On 7/1/22 08:02, Joost Jager wrote:> Any thoughts from routing node
operators would be welcome too (or links > to previous threads).
I'm a routing node operator and have been for over a year. I've been
wanting this feature (plus negative fees) for a long time now.
Reason 1:
For peers that
On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 2:17 PM Thomas HUET wrote:
> It was discussed in this issue:
> https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/835
>
Ah yes that was it. Thanks for the pointer!
> On the network, the traffic is not balanced. Some nodes tend to receive
> more than they send, merchants for
>
> > isn't it the case that it is always possible to DoS your peer by just
> rejecting any forward that comes in from them?
>
> Yes, this is a good point. But there is a difference though. If you do that
> with inbound fees, the "malicious" peer is able to prevent _everyone_ from
> even trying to
Hi Joost,
> isn't it the case that it is always possible to DoS your peer by just
rejecting any forward that comes in from them?
Yes, this is a good point. But there is a difference though. If you do that
with inbound fees, the "malicious" peer is able to prevent _everyone_ from
even trying to
Hi Joost,
It was discussed in this issue:
https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/835
On the network, the traffic is not balanced. Some nodes tend to receive
more than they send, merchants for instance. For the lightning network to
be reliable, we need to incentivise people to open channels to
Hi Bastien,
I vaguely remembered that the idea of inbound fees had been discussed
before. Before writing my post, I scanned through old ML posts and bolts
issues but couldn't find the discussion. Maybe it was part of a different
but related email or a bolts pr?
With regards to your objections,
Hi Joost,
As I've already stated every time this has been previously discussed, I
believe
this doesn't make any sense. The funds that are on the other side of the
channel belong to your peer, not you, so they're free to use it however they
want. If you're not happy with the way your peer is
>
> Path-finding algorithms that are currently in use generally don’t support
> negative fees. But in this case, the sum of inbound and outbound fees is
> still positive and therefore not a problem. If routing nodes set their
> policies accidentally or intentionally so that the sum of fees turns
Currently routing nodes on the lightning network charge fees based on a
policy that pertains to the outgoing channel only.
Several mentions have been made by routing node operators that this limits
the control that they can exert over the flow of traffic. The movement of
funds on all of the
