Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-17 Thread Rusty Russell
René Pickhardt writes: > Dear Rusty, > > I am not getting this proposal (maybe I am lacking some technical basic > understandings) however I decided to ask more questions in order to > complete my onboarding process faster and hope this is fine. > > My problem starts with the fact that I can't

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-16 Thread René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev
Dear Rusty, I am not getting this proposal (maybe I am lacking some technical basic understandings) however I decided to ask more questions in order to complete my onboarding process faster and hope this is fine. My problem starts with the fact that I can't find the term "lightning probe

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-16 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Rene, Not Rusty, but I shall spam the list as for my normal habit anyway. >My problem starts with the fact that I can't find the term "lightning probe >message" in the current BOLTs (actually the term probe only occures two >times and these seem unrelated to what you are talking

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-15 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Rusty, > > > I apologize that this wasn't fleshed out before the summit, but I > > > overestimated the power of Scriptless Scripts so had mentally deferred > > > this. > > > > My understanding is that SS is as powerful as we thought, at least for some > > of the applications we were

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-15 Thread Rusty Russell
ZmnSCPxj writes: >> I apologize that this wasn't fleshed out before the summit, but I >> overestimated the power of Scriptless Scripts so had mentally deferred >> this. > > My understanding is that SS *is* as powerful as we thought, at least for some > of the applications we were hoping to use

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-15 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Rusty, > I want to propose a method of having reusable BOLT11 "offers" which > provide almost-spontaneous payments as well as not requiring generating > a BOLT11 invoice for each potential sale. Suggest making a new BOLT document. This would be basically a new BOLT for how to

Re: [Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-14 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning Rusty, No particular comment on static offer invoices, but instead various bikeshedding. > > The format of the final-hop lightning onion would contain: > > [whatever-marker-we-need?][128-bit-`p`-field][[type,len,data]+] I think a separate BOLT for the type,len,data would be

[Lightning-dev] Strawman BOLT11 static "offer" format using probes.

2018-11-14 Thread Rusty Russell
Hi all, I want to propose a method of having reusable BOLT11 "offers" which provide almost-spontaneous payments as well as not requiring generating a BOLT11 invoice for each potential sale. An "offer" has a `p` field of 26 bytes (128 bits assuming top two are 0) (which is ignored by existing