[Lightning-dev] Force close of channel with unresolved htlc

2020-05-05 Thread Subhra Mazumdar
Hi, I am having a doubt regarding force closure of channel. Suppose A->B there is an htlc which has been established for transfering fund. Now suppose for some unfortunate reason B doesnt have the witness to resolve htlc and the mean time A suffers crash fault. Then can B close the channel

Re: [Lightning-dev] Force close of channel with unresolved htlc

2020-05-05 Thread René Pickhardt via Lightning-dev
Dear Subhra, as discussed bilaterally and after clarification of your question the situation is as follows: Let us assume A and B have a channel in which A has 4 tokens and B has 6 tokens Now A offers an HTLC with the amount of 2 tokens and B accepts (receives) the offer then A and B both have

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread Lloyd Fournier
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:01 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Tuesday 05 May 2020 10:17:37 Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Trust-minimization of Bitcoin security model has always relied first and > > above on running a full-node. This

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread ZmnSCPxj via Lightning-dev
Good morning ariard and luke-jr > > Trust-minimization of Bitcoin security model has always relied first and > > above on running a full-node. This current paradigm may be shifted by LN > > where fast, affordable, confidential, censorship-resistant payment services > > may attract a lot of

Re: [Lightning-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread Olaoluwa Osuntokun
Hi Antoine, > Even with cheaper, more efficient protocols like BIP 157, you may have a > huge discrepancy between what is asked and what is offered. Assuming 10M > light clients [0] each of them consuming ~100MB/month for filters/headers, > that means you're asking 1PB/month of traffic to the

Re: [Lightning-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread Andrés G . Aragoneses
Hey Antoine, just a small note, [3] is missing in your footnotes, can you add it? Thanks On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 18:17, Antoine Riard wrote: > Hi, > > (cross-posting as it's really both layers concerned) > > Ongoing advancement of BIP 157 implementation in Core maybe the > opportunity to reflect

Re: [Lightning-dev] [bitcoin-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Tuesday 05 May 2020 10:17:37 Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Trust-minimization of Bitcoin security model has always relied first and > above on running a full-node. This current paradigm may be shifted by LN > where fast, affordable, confidential, censorship-resistant payment services >

[Lightning-dev] On the scalability issues of onboarding millions of LN mobile clients

2020-05-05 Thread Antoine Riard
Hi, (cross-posting as it's really both layers concerned) Ongoing advancement of BIP 157 implementation in Core maybe the opportunity to reflect on the future of light client protocols and use this knowledge to make better-informed decisions about what kind of infrastructure is needed to support